Waymo asks how SVN works. ZBROZEK: We will download the entire repository, usually the present-day snapshot, we'll upload it back with whatever we've changed.
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March 2015 exhibit -- "Ideally we'd be allowed to store this data wherever we like - it's not code, it's not user data, it's pretty low-value -- and thus get the freedom to use easy solutions that do everything we want. But getting that permission is well above my englevel."
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He says that "low-value" meant it was just less valuable than code and user data.
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Another email from Zbrozek: "At least historically, high-value has been algorithms and software.The hardware (at all levels) was a second class citizen. Maybe opinions have changed."
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WAYMO: Do you consider yourself low-value? ZBROZEK: No. WAYMO: Do you consider yourself a low-value worker? ZBROZEK: No. WAYMO: Do you think the technology in the SVN server is low-value technology? ZBROZEK: No.
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WAYMO: Why not? ZBROZEK: It’s everything you need to build a self-driving car, there’s nothing low value there.
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UBER: When you set up the SVN, there were no tools for monitoring what people were doing with their subversion account? ZBROZEK: No, that’s not entirely true. Rolling the depo tape
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UBER: So nobody monitors? ZBROZEK: No, but nobody monitors when we get water from the refrigerator, either.
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Uber now pressing on this because it's a bad answer, water isn't the same as data
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ZBROZEK: I don't really know what a trade secret is.
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Uber pressing hard on his "low value emails," Waymo really got ahead of this
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Shout-out to the Keker lawyers who've made it in as characters in this lawsuit
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UBER: To this day, you don't know what a trade secret is. ZBROZEK: I have been trying to avoid the legal definition.
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I'd like to think that part of the legacy of Oracle v Google is that all of these witnesses have assiduously avoided being hacker news comments lawyers
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An email TO Zbrozek: "Sasha, we want to be able to say that SVN contains only internal confidential stuff, which I understand from Pierre is the case"
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UBER: Have you made any changes to the instructions for logging into the SVN repository? ZBROZEK: I’m sure I have at some point. UBER: But to this day, if someone logs into the SVN database following your instructions, *everything is downloaded*.
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WAYMO: Why was the SVN password protected? ZBROZEK: Because we wanted to protect the contents of the information that was in there.
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WAYMO: What is GCE? ZBROZEK: GCE, the Google Compute Engine
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Now Waymo going back to Uber's whole thing about "shouldn't someone be keeping an eye on the SVN server / shouldn't there be alarm bells" ZBROZEK: False positives are not useful.
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ZBROZEK: This is something we proscribe for the engineers to do and something that is necessary for their goals.
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We're on recross UBER: If you log into anything as a Google employee it's password protected, right? ZBROZEK: Well it depends, have you logged on from that device before . . .
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The emails are getting zoomed in and Uber is pointing to lawyers cc'd on the email and pointing out that the lawyers are present in the courtroom are currently litigating the case
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Zbrozek said that he couldn't recognize them and he doesn't know. "I don't know where they're from. And you hopefully blacked [the firm names out] so I wouldn't now." Their firm domains are, in fact, blacked out
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Zbrozek is off, Pierre Yves-Droz is now on the stand.
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