On redirect Waymo asks witness if there are differences between the patent and the trade secret spec. Grossman says: - Structure is not uniform, in the patent it’s much more uniform. - Angles of the edges are very specific and there’s a flow, angles are all the same on patent.
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They're four witnesses in and there's been like 30 minutes of sealed direct testimony on the trade secrets. The most technical they've gotten in the public portion was just now, and the judge says it's about a patent that was thrown out.
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WAYMO: Do you think self-driving car technology is an existential issue for Uber? BARES: Yes. WAYMO: Why?
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BARES: Well, I believe that the day that self-driving becomes common-place and makes it through the technology and the regulatory hurdles, t if you look at Uber’s business, probably 70 or 80 percent of our cost per mile is the human driver.
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BARES: So So if you can eliminate that cost and replace it with some electronics to handle it, that’s going to be a thing. And the people that can do that are going to win the business, those that aren’t are going to get left behind.
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Bares says that in his first January phone call with Levandowski, he told him to make sure to leave Google IP behind.
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It wasn't a "lecture" but Bares talked to him about 2-3 minutes about confidential information, Google information, and what it meant to leave employer information behind.
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Bares takes notes during meetings, usually live. ... in Excel? ....
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Question to tech law twitter: have tech corporations previously asserted trade secret protection in machine learning data?
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One of Bares' notes say that what they get out of the Otto acq: - Access to sensors - Access to his data
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Bares notes also say that if they can save a month, then they're saving $20 million because they're burning that much money a month
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WAYMO: Is this Travis Kalanick talking? BARES: It looks like it.
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WAYMO: What does road map refer to? BARES: The know-how of which side of the mountain to climb and to help us with our road map, does it take three years or five years, how should we approach the whole problem.
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Other meeting notes: “Lidar engine is good, would save time” WAYMO: Do you remember who made that for you? BARES: Anthony would have been the only one.
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A memo says that "just rubbing shoulders with" Levandowski's team would save Uber “a year off the race for large scale AV development”
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These meeting notes are painful. Bares being a meticulous grown-up has really blown back on Uber, a company of non-grown-ups
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lmao some more notes: "Need a pep talk - Newco mess (secrecy, don’t report to me, consulting, laser fumble)" Newco = Otto / Anthony Levandowski
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BARES: I was in a pretty low place because we were getting beat up on logging miles. Google was logging 15k a week and we were at 0 a week.
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Uber believed they were 7 years behind Google in the race for AV.
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More notes: "Lasers, Data, Advice are the three things."
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More notes quoting Kalanick, "We need lasers." pew pew motherfucker
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Yeah, I'm wondering how much of the 8 trade secrets is data or if that's even possible.https://twitter.com/NickInfoSec/status/960966037096357888 …
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It's really fun to try and construct THE RELEVANT LEGAL CLAIMS AT ISSUE from hints and snippets
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It's some Poirot shit. "Ah, was it the schematic in the Gorilla chain email with the three flat sides and one concave side" "Non, non, that is ze patent"
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Emails suggest that Bares is much-put-upon by the Otto acquisition
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February: "The Newco term sheet is signed and in escrow"
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Waymo questions about: “The golden time is over. It is war time.” BARES: That's a... the book on something like war time for a company. It’s sort of hunker down time. That might actually be the title. WAYMO: Who said this? [extremely long pause] BARES: Travis.
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