UBER: So you’d agree that having 64 laser beams is not a secret. DOLGOV: Right. UBER: And you don't contend that your trade secrets are in the Velodyne LIDAR, do you? DOLGOV: No.
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UBER: Can you imagine a moment this trade secret come to your attention? Dolgov says he can remember it coming up a couple years ago.
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Uber is asking if there was any moment where people had a big aha that it was a "new idea or discovery"
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Dolgov gives, again in a very quick monotone, a non-answer
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It doesn't sound evasive, it just seems like Uber's very theatrical tone is not processing with him at all and he's taking each trap question so literally that he doesn't fall into the trap
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ALSUP: He’s not asking what you’re sure of. He’s asking you if you have an actual memory of the moment you told management, look at what a great idea you came up with. DOLGOV: No. ALSUP: Okay, next question.
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Uber now trying to lead him into explaining to the jury that patents, because they are published, cannot be trade secrets. Dolgov says he's uncomfortable talking about it (because he's not a lawyer!) but he says that sounds right. [it is right]
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We're now looking at a sketch from a 2014 patent, I didn't catch what it is? But Levandowski is listed as an inventor on this one.
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Uber pointing to individual components and asking Dolgov if he recognizes them. Gets Dolgov to acknowledge that this is all public and none of those components are trade secrets.
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Note: there were patent claims at an early stage of the litigation. All of those have since dropped out.
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Uber now crossing Dolgov on the "increased attrition risk for us" email.
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Dolgov wrote an email that said that the Ottomotto acquisition was a problem because it was hard to keep talent. One factor was that a lot of the self-driving car people were in Pittsburgh (Carnegie) and they all would rather live in San Francisco
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Uber asking Dolgov to look at an exhibit that isn't being shown to us (yet?) (ever?)
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Yeah it's under seal. Exhibit is being shown to the jury. ALSUP: If someone out there manages to see it, jump up and tell us we’re not doing it right.
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Lawyers are currently trying to figure out how to display the document to the jury without projecting it where the gallery can see.
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They figured it out. they turned off the projector
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hey uber you just paid someone like $100 to turn off a projector
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it's only day 2 of the trial and i very vividly remember why i left san francisco
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We're going back to the sealed 1136 exhibit. Uber hammered hard on there being just ONE BOX in the diagram (??)
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WAYMO: You looked at the box labeled sensors? Can you go to page 17? There’s a line in this document about the category of sensors. I’m just going to read, "A mixture of sensors are essential for self driving." Do you agree with that? DOLGOV: Yes.
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DOLGOV: Each sensor has something that it is very good at. And putting them together gives you the best.
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Waymo asks if why that's important if there's only one box DOLGOV: Measuring the impact of something by counting boxes is not the metric I would use.
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Waymo establishes that it took years to come up with the data in one of the trade secrets. Unclear what the data is, I didn't catch exactly which trade secret. (I assume data collected during test drives).
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Back in court, Alsup is explaining the difference between patents and trade secrets to the jury.
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ALSUP: Is that 21 years now? A lawyer says yes ALSUP: They changed that. It used to be 17.
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reporters furiously taking notes on the elements of trade secrets
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Alsup's crash course in trade secrets: - Unlike patents, you don’t apply for it, no government agency issues a trade secret - It’s something that typically a company comes up with. They develop their own way of doing something and they keep it secret.
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- It has economic value because it is secret. It has value to them and they take reasonable efforts to keep it a secret. - If that information is generally known to the public, it’s not a trade secret.
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