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Dolgov describing early milestones, like completing 10 routes (including around Lake Tahoe, on the Bay Area's bridges). Each route about 100 miles.
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Another milestone: driving 100,000 miles with full autonomy, which was a "huge order" back in the day.
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DOLGOV: I would say the LIDAR provides the primary functionality for most of the modules that are critical. The LIDAR gives you very rich data about the 3D structure of the world that is incredibly useful.
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WAYMO: Dr. Dolgov, where do the LIDAR sensors on Waymo’s current cars come from? DOLGOV: We built them. WAYMO: Are they available to buy off the shelf? DOLGOV: No. WAYMO: Over the years, how many custom LIDARSs have Waymo designed over time? DOLGOV: About six major models.
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We're now looking at the video with "the blind guy" with Dolgov narrating
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WAYMO: How do you feel now that self-driving cars are becoming a reality? DOLGOV: *chuckles in monotone* Amazing
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Part of Dolgov's testimony is going to be under seal and Alsup wants to combine it with the break. We're going into cross now.
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UBER: Can we agree that Google, Waymo did not invent LIDAR? DOLGOV: That’s right. UBER: Before you came to Google, you worked on self-driving cars at Stanford. And those cars used Velodyne LIDAR, right? With 64 laser beams.
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UBER: So you’d agree that having 64 laser beams is not a secret. DOLGOV: Right. UBER: And you don't contend that your trade secrets are in the Velodyne LIDAR, do you? DOLGOV: No.
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Uber now trying to cross examine on an internal Google incentive program to patent technology (Dolgov is listed as an inventor on some)
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Uber tries to bring out that there's a $5000 bonus per invention, and Dolgov just gives a very long engineering explanation that it's "not entirely linear"
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UBER: Who received the bonus for those great ideas that they’re claiming are trade secrets? Dolgov says that trade secrets aren't as clearly mapped as the patent system.
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A patent cannot be a trade secret and vice-versa. Uber is trying to trick Dolgov into saying their trade secrets aren't trade secrets.
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Dolgov says that no one received a bonus for the trade secrets. He says many people were involved in the trade secrets. He also says he doesn't even know what the 8 trade secrets are
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UBER: You don't even know the 8 trade secrets we're here to try? DOLGOV: I know two.
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AND NOW WE FINALLY GET TO HEAR LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRADE SECRETS
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Uber is now showing Dolgov the top secret "cheatsheet" and asking him to point to them for the jury
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He mumbled so I couldn't catch the whole thing. One was described as “Scenario car tests and specifications" (?) and the other as Trade Secret #111 "NDR, Lidar design” (?)
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UBER: When did someone come up with Trade secret 111? DOLGOV: 2011
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UBER: Can you imagine a moment this trade secret come to your attention? Dolgov says he can remember it coming up a couple years ago.
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Uber is asking if there was any moment where people had a big aha that it was a "new idea or discovery"
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Dolgov gives, again in a very quick monotone, a non-answer
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It doesn't sound evasive, it just seems like Uber's very theatrical tone is not processing with him at all and he's taking each trap question so literally that he doesn't fall into the trap
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ALSUP: He’s not asking what you’re sure of. He’s asking you if you have an actual memory of the moment you told management, look at what a great idea you came up with. DOLGOV: No. ALSUP: Okay, next question.
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Uber now trying to lead him into explaining to the jury that patents, because they are published, cannot be trade secrets. Dolgov says he's uncomfortable talking about it (because he's not a lawyer!) but he says that sounds right. [it is right]
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We're now looking at a sketch from a 2014 patent, I didn't catch what it is? But Levandowski is listed as an inventor on this one.
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Uber pointing to individual components and asking Dolgov if he recognizes them. Gets Dolgov to acknowledge that this is all public and none of those components are trade secrets.
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Note: there were patent claims at an early stage of the litigation. All of those have since dropped out.
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Uber now crossing Dolgov on the "increased attrition risk for us" email.
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Dolgov wrote an email that said that the Ottomotto acquisition was a problem because it was hard to keep talent. One factor was that a lot of the self-driving car people were in Pittsburgh (Carnegie) and they all would rather live in San Francisco
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