Currently figuring out which of the plaintiffs has standing to challenge which parts of the EO
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En réponse à @sarahjeong
Counsel for plaintiffs is a much less skilled oralist, but we're starting off pretty soft and slow.
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If they go as hard against him as they did with Wall, he might have some trouble
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Interestingly in the Hawaii hearing, the judge seemed sympathetic to govt position on standing, but said he was bound by 9th cir on standing
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En réponse à @sarahjeong
Because this is 4th Cir en banc, and it's a very diff case (the state is not a plaintiff), the standing issue is dangerous to plaintiffs
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En réponse à @sarahjeong
Standing seems to be a really common thread across major nat sec lawsuits, imo that just means law around standing is broken ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Judge asks if the order is facially legitimate, counsel stammers a little and says "I don't think so your honor..." he's just not very good
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En réponse à @sarahjeong
Wall was so eloquent and confident with an extreeeeeeeemely bad case, and this guy can't find his confidence with a case he won below
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En réponse à @sarahjeong
so much of"winning" at oral argument is just flexibility and speaking skills, honestly. Thank goodness judges read the briefs.
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I knooooooow but he's stumbling on the key part of this case and whyyyyyyyy
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En réponse à @sarahjeong
I am sympathetic! Painful to hear advocates choke up that way, especially once the bench starts lobbing softballs at them.
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