Not sure I heard correctly earlier but I think Astrachan tested his own builds?
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He says there are books and posters showing classes that are distributed by Sun-Oracle for devs.
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oh man
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Astrachan is responding to Reinhold it looks like. Oracle objects, says it's not in the scope of what Reinhold said.
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Reinhold wasn't disclosed as an expert witness, he was brought in as an employee. Oracle withdraws its objection.
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We're looking at the examples of declaring code, explaining that he can understand what a method does just from the name.
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He said that during trial, he "suspected" he could guess what the method did, then after trial he went back and looked it up.
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When he looked it up, his conclusion just based on the name was correct.
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(So this is about the functionality of the code)
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Astrachan: ... each part is very descriptive and functional about what the method does.
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Now addressing Reinhold testimony that declaring code is sometimes more important than implementing code for devs.
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Astrachan: You can't do that [come to that conclusion].
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Astrachan: Developers would absolutely care about implementing code.
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Astrachan: If the declaring code were good, easy to understand, but the implementing code were buggy ... it would be very difficult.
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Astrachan: Typically, bugs for developers are in their code, not in the library code. .... it would not be so good.
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I love this.
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Keep in mind that even if it's obvious for you, it is probably the FIRST TIME anyone has told the jury that bugs in library code are bad
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Astrachan summary of what Google did with Android: 1) Google selected 37 (not all) packages from Java SE, and used those method declarations
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2) Wrote implementing code for those declarations 3) Adding other libraries specific to smartphones, like GPS, camera, etc
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4) Brought in 3rd party libraries for stuff like web browsers and graphics
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5) Made the Dalvik Virtual Machine 6) Built whole thing on top of Linux.
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Astrachan: That whole sequence led to this open source, innovative Android platform.
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Hurst for Oracle now crossing.
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She's crossing about ME. Little bit of a battle with Google over whether that's okay, since Astrachan's report doesn't talk about ME.
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Alsup says close enough. Then Google objects on hearsay because she's crossing about a citation in the report.
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Finally Astrachan is cleared to reply. Astrachan: As I understand it, there are some packages from SE that are also from ME.
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11, to be specific. And then looking at an appendix. Astrachan: Yes, there are 11 x's in this chart.
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Did I hear that right? Later she says 4?
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I think it counts as the other side, since Oracle complained that Google was "trying to burn time" https://twitter.com/joe_no_body/status/733348130121515009 …
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Oracle now pulling a Google, asking if Google's lawyers were involved in writing his reports.
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