~ it's the final countdown ~
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Leonard: I concluded that the 37 APIs and the SSO did not cause any market harm to Java SE.
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Leonard: And that the 37 APIs and the SSO did not cause any market harm to Java ME.
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Leonard says substitution is a useful concept here but that no amount of substitution can "supersede a product."
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Oracle objects to it as being inappropriate testimony. Alsup: Well he starts with saying it's from an economist's perspective.
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lmao omg
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Since Jaffe brought up substitution first, overruled.
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Alsup: He cannot tell the jury what the law is. But he can tell the jury about the economics about the factors I've already told you about.
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Alsup: You gotta stick to economics. Leonard: I'd love to just stick to economics.
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OMG Leonard is about to go into a QWERTY as an analogy.
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THIS WAS USED IN THE CERT BRIEF
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Oracle objects that this outside scope. Google: No, it's only page TK. Oracle: It doesn't say QWERTY here.
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Alsup: But does it say typewriter? Oracle: ... It does, your honor. Leonard proceeds.
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Alright, Leonard is not talking about QWERTY. He's talking about product substitution re: typewriters versus word processors.
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I jumped the gun there, but in my defense, SO DID ORACLE
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There's another Oracle objection, Google respond again by reading out the relevant paragraph #'s from the report lol
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Oracle: I'm looking at the report, I don't see the concept of "me too" in here.
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Alsup: Is "me too" in there? Google: Uhhhh I'm confident it's in there Alsup: *to Leonard* Is "me too" in there?
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Leonard: Well, I don't know about the words "me too" but I talk about a related concept.
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Alsup says he can't use the word me too and he has to stick to the "related concepts" since the testimony has to track the report
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(hope that helps answer questions about why Oracle and Google keep fighting over this)
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Leonard: Android has not superseded Java SE in the market.
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Leonard: The first [reason] is that the two products are on very different devices. (Personal computers versus smartphones)
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Leonard: The second reason is that Java SE is just a programming applications platform whereas Android is an entire stack ..
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Google asks if Sun made attempts to create smartphone platform. Leonard: Sun made several attempts to do that and ultimately all failed.
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Google asks about Oracle. Leonard says also failed.
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Here's the analogy to typewriters: A typewriter is not a substitute for a word processor. Once you use a word processor, you don't go back.
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Same with feature phones / smartphones: smartphone consumers do not consider feature phones a substitute.
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[Objection: What about hipsters]
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Oracle objects about this testimony too, Alsup doesn't make a ruling, Google says they'll move on. They move on.
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Leonard continues, but Oracle again objects to it being about "consumer preferences for YouTube" which isn't discussed in the report.
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