Overruled this time.
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(Sorry, I didn't catch all the Google admissions, but I think they related to acknowledging the copying)
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Google is back to crossing Jaffe. Starting off slow, hopefully going to eventually transition back to yesterday's drama levels
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Yeah, Page was called as an Oracle witness. Go figure.https://twitter.com/gortok/status/733310951013912576 …
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Looking at a Sun PPT slide that says, "This market was highly dynamic, changing, and hard to predict."
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Another slide, pre-Android, predicting a big revenue drop for Java ME.
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Return of a 2007 Sun email from Terrence Barr:
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> I am keeping my fingers crossed that Androids hits the 'powers that be' at Sun as a wakeup call that our mobile Java strategy is failing.
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Another doc says “Java is perceived of as stagnant and legacy"
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And that it's "fragmented between Java SE and ME and between Java ME Mobile and TV and within Mobile and TV"
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Google plays back a depo where Oracle's Rivzi acknowledges that SE6 and ME, in Google's words, "need to be refreshed urgently"
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Playback of 2015 Stahl depo where he says that there's still no smartphone platform at Oracle.
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Jaffe: What I was talking about in my testimony wasn't building a platform, it was licensing to others.
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Van Nest spending time establishing that ME isn't for smartphones. Now asks about drop in licenses for Sun-Oracle.
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Google: The reason that Samsung didn't re-up in as high a number is that they wanted to build smartphones, like the Galaxy, right?
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Jaffe acknowledges tersely.
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Now discussing Java SE, how its traditional market was desktops and servers — not mobile.
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Google: Java SE is doing just fine. Right?
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Google: In fact, it's doing better than ever. Jaffe: I don't recall. Google: Did you look?
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Jaffe reiterates what he did look at.
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Deleted tweets where I erroneously identified Google as Oracle. lol.
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Back to Van Nest ripping Jaffe apart:
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Google: But that's my question, Mr. Jaffe. Did you look at whether Java SE was going up, or down, or flat?
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Jaffe: I don't know if it's going up or down, I just know that it's continuing to license in those markets.
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Google plays back Donald Smith depo where he says business is up.
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Google asks if Jaffe talked to anyone at Oracle who worked on SE. Jaffe (and Keystone consultants who worked for him) did not.
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Google: Even though you knew the copyrighted work was Java SE, you didn’t talk to the Java SE managers?
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Google asks about the tipping point opinion. Google: You didn't even know what implementing code was, at the time you formed your opinion?
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Google asks if his tipping point analysis / opinion was formed by himself or by someone else. Jaffe says "both"
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Says he relied on technical experts to some extent and that "as an economist" he can understand that. . . . . .
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Google: You said this is a very hard market to predict anything in, right? Jaffe: Yes. Google: You said it was [nearly?] impossible? [Yes]
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