Oracle asks if he knows whether the Java code is in these Android phones. Page: I don't agree code includes declarations. Larrrrrryyyyyyy
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Overruled this time.
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Page says Google was looking to license the implementation / proprietary tech. Google: Did you need a license for that?
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Oracle: Objection, your honor, calls for a legal conclusion. Alsup lets Google rephrase as "seeking a license"
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On independent implementations: Google: Is it common in the industry? Oracle objects. No foundation.
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Alsup: You accused him of willful conduct, and he's allowed to respond to that [...] But you have to stick to what was going on in your mind
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Alsup: ... and not veer off into a speech.
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Google asks what he was thinking about the Java APIs: Page: That they were free and open.
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Done with cross, no redirect, Larry Page has left the the courtroom.
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Oracle now reading out some admissions from Google.
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Also an agreed upon fact: that Sun could have organized the API packages in multiple ways (goes to merger doctrine)
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fjdkalfjdal;fjdsklafjdklsaf Jaffe is back
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(Sorry, I didn't catch all the Google admissions, but I think they related to acknowledging the copying)
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Google is back to crossing Jaffe. Starting off slow, hopefully going to eventually transition back to yesterday's drama levels
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Yeah, Page was called as an Oracle witness. Go figure.https://twitter.com/gortok/status/733310951013912576 …
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Looking at a Sun PPT slide that says, "This market was highly dynamic, changing, and hard to predict."
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Another slide, pre-Android, predicting a big revenue drop for Java ME.
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Return of a 2007 Sun email from Terrence Barr:
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> I am keeping my fingers crossed that Androids hits the 'powers that be' at Sun as a wakeup call that our mobile Java strategy is failing.
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Another doc says “Java is perceived of as stagnant and legacy"
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And that it's "fragmented between Java SE and ME and between Java ME Mobile and TV and within Mobile and TV"
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Google plays back a depo where Oracle's Rivzi acknowledges that SE6 and ME, in Google's words, "need to be refreshed urgently"
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Playback of 2015 Stahl depo where he says that there's still no smartphone platform at Oracle.
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Jaffe: What I was talking about in my testimony wasn't building a platform, it was licensing to others.
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Van Nest spending time establishing that ME isn't for smartphones. Now asks about drop in licenses for Sun-Oracle.
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Google: The reason that Samsung didn't re-up in as high a number is that they wanted to build smartphones, like the Galaxy, right?
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Jaffe acknowledges tersely.
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Now discussing Java SE, how its traditional market was desktops and servers — not mobile.
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Google: Java SE is doing just fine. Right?
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Google: In fact, it's doing better than ever. Jaffe: I don't recall. Google: Did you look?
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Jaffe reiterates what he did look at.
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