Google: I notice none of the Oracle experts have shown us the SavaJe. Including you.
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Google: And those were licensing Java ME? Jaffe: Correct.
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Google: Mr. Ellison said that when he bought Sun, Sun's business was primarily limited to feature phones. Is that right?
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[plays Ellison depo, where Ellison says that] Google: Do you have reason to doubt him? Jaffe: No.
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Oracle objects to how much Google keeps interrupting the witness.
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Google: So Java ME has a total, a TOTAL, of 10 APIs. Correct? Alsup: Let's be clear.. you mean... PACKAGES? Let's be precise.
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Google: Good point, good point. I'm talking about the package. Not just the declaration, the implementing code. The whole thing.
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Alsup tells him to be clearer.
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Google: ....So you understand that Google engineers used method headers, and only the method headers from SE?
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Jaffe: The method headers. And the structure, sequence, and organization. Me: COME ON DUDE
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<insert dream sequence in which I am dragged out of the courthouse by marshals for screaming>
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Sun testimony from Rizvi being displayed.
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(Senior sales person at Sun)
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From Rizvi depo transcript: "As the market for smartphones started growing, the logical thing for [Java] ME to do would have been...
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... to evolve the product to meet the requirements of smartphones."
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From the Stahl depo: Stahl: I believe the logical choice for a modern phone would be to adopt Java SE from a technology perspective.
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Google: So you don't believe that Java ME has the features and functionality needed for a modern smartphone? Stahl: [No]
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Google: So when you say Java was poised to be successful, it turns out the efforts they made were not successful...
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... in terms of building a smartphone, right?
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Jaffe: Well, in that history, there's Android— Google interrupts, "THAT'S NOT" Oracle objects to the interruption
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Alsup lets Jaffe finish, and Jaffe's answer punts saying that Android affects the timeline
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Google: Sundroid failed too. Right? Jaffe: Yes.https://twitter.com/xor/status/733022340859092993 …
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Google: That slide we saw ... didn't say anything about Android? Jaffe: No. (An internal Sun doc, I think)
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Google: There was a time when Java had 80% of the smartphone market? What's that based on? Jaffe says Blackberry and Symbian phones.
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lol. Jaffe says that he didn't come up with the definition of smartphone and that this stat was based on an industry stat.
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Recall, this 80% stat comes from the year before the iPhone announcment.
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Google asks if people at Sun were projecting decline of Java before Android. Says yes, but that their projections didn't go to 2015(?)
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Going through more bad phones that failed.
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A whirlwind tour of shitty phones no one bought
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Sun slide that predicted the market was changing.
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Google keeps showing him charts and projections and Jaffe demurs saying charts don't go to 2010, or some other later date.
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