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Oracle: Then Sun says, take a license.
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Oracle: This part is important because it says Sun was enforcing its rights. Google: Your honor, there's no mention of copyrights.
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I think Google is right here but Alsup is ruling in favor of Oracle.
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Oracle: Your honor, this goes to the GNU issue. Driiiink.
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GNU responsibly.
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Google: It's confusing the jury on something that happened in 2002 to Korea, it doesn't relate to the copyrights.
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Alsup: Are US copyrights even enforceable in Korea? Oracle: There's a BERNE CONVENTION, your honor? [Yeah]
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Alsup: Is that true? Google: Uhhhh Alsup: You don't know? Well, Ms. Simpson, do you know for sure? Oracle: Yes
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Someone else from Google literally LEAPED UP to rattle off treaty names
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I'm actually squirming in the gallery and wringing my hands a little because the Korea-US Free Trade agreement has been in effect since 2012
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Which, tbf, is prior to this period of time
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I'm now okay you guys the overwhelming impulse to explain has now faded
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But things were getting pretty dicey there for a second
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Felt bad for Google. They had a moment of what lawyers call, "looking like a dingus through no fault of one's own"https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/732971648945512449 …
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imagine you're deep in the middle of this US-only software copyright trial and suddenly you have to remember what the berne convention is
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and maybe you missed that one day in copyright law class
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Back to direct examination of Brenner, and Brenner is now describing the South Korean controversy.
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Alsup: Who is that hacking and coughing, and do you want a cough drop? White haired attorney stands up in gallery. "It was me, your honor."
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Alsup: WELL, Mr. Cooper. Mr. Cooper walks over to the bar and gets a cough drop.
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On to cross of Brenner.
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Unlike the cougher from yesterday, Mr. Cooper is actually using his cough drop.
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Can you guess I'm a little bored by cross-exam?
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Hacker News got the law wrong again, watch out for those subpoenas in the third trial, guyshttps://twitter.com/xor/status/732977490398826496 …
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We're like five layers deep in misunderstandings right now.
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Appellate courts misunderstanding APIs in case built on programmers misunderstanding licenses written by lawyers misunderstanding APIs
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Google trying to undo effect of the South Korea story by talking about Apache Harmony again (unlicensed independent implementation)
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Bouncy Castle has not made another appearance. We still don't know what Bouncy Castle is.https://twitter.com/gcarothers/status/732980187420184577 …
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Alsup: The jury has heard the word fork. Is that the same thing as fragmentation, or is that a different thing?
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