Google then plays back depo tape, where Reinhold says JDK is "a large system that does not scale down very well" oh my godddddd
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We're now reading in a stipulation that lists how many # of declaring code statements used per Android version.
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So Alsup is reading out dessert names followed by numbers.
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15 min break.
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Going through some of the slides, Google says they have argumentative language, Alsup says "It's not as bad as you think it sounds"
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Oracle saying presentations are business records, Alsup gets mad & says they might as well bring in "wheelbarrows" of "internal propaganda"
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Gets indignant and flaps a page around asking how "you lawyers" can even think that
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This is a really good question -- I think the damage has already been done.https://twitter.com/George__Lee/status/732640995570028544 …
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Any new precedent that rustles out of this second round (say, on appeal), I think, is not nearly as potentially damaging
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On top of that, I think that the existing precedent coming out of Fed Cir is unlikely to be reused—runs counter to norms
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Basically this litigation happened because Oracle is douchey enough to do it, and Google is rich enough to take it
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I think the damage is going to come in the form of chilling effects, not in future litigation.
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ANYWAYS we're back to the trial. Looking at a November 2015 depo of a Google employee (didn't catch his name)
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It's Urs Hölze.
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He's explaining the GPL and saying it's hard to know whether you're compliant or not.
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Next video witness. Dec 2015 video depo with Reto Meier, also Google employee.
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Oracle [tape]: Is it your understanding that the Java API packages are distinct from the Java programming language? Meier: Yes.
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Note that this is different from what Donald Smith (Oracle) said in his disaster depo (said they were inseparable) before he retracted.
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Another video depo of a Google employee from late 2015. Testifying that using Java attracted developers.
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Theoretically possible that the same question could go up to the Supreme Court again in this *same case*https://twitter.com/lairek/status/732644826617876480 …
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But that would be *insane*
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<Back to depo> The last witness (who I didn't think said anything interesting?) was a 30b6 witness -- meaning, representing Google as a corp
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Election will be over by the time it goes through Fed Cir and then goes on petition for cert againhttps://twitter.com/confusedcharlot/status/732645642372276225 …
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Oracle is now on direct with Douglas Schmidt.
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I'm going to shorten as "DS" to distinguish from Eric Schmidt.
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DS is a professor of computer science at Vanderbilt. Basically, Astrachan's opposite number.
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DS was at DARPA at one point, also CTO at several companies.
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Also worked with NASA on Mars lander?
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Damn, Douglas, back at it with the very dense slides with diagrams that are supposed to explain Java
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3D block made up of many many color-coded bricks with text labels so tiny I cannot read them from the second row of the gallery
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Top layer is "Java Language," middle is "Java API Packages" and bottom is "Java Virtual Machine."
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