supposedly he took a leave of absence for some months to do contract work but well T H I R T Y years
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In prior testimony, Screven said Sun never gave a license to Apache Harmony.
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Apparent contradiction, but as with many things in this trial, Screven isn't a lawyer.
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The lawyers are trying to explain the tech, the engineers are trying to explain the law, everything is backwards
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Google: You said you weren't aware of any Apache products in the commercial market... Screven: No, I said unlicensed products.
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Google: You're aware of IBM's products?
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Screven says IBM is licensed. Google asks if IBM is licensed to contribute code. Screven quibbles.
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G: Declaring code is a form of source code—that's Oracle's position in this case, correct? Screven: Declaring code is a form of source code.
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Google: Oracle used all the declaring code word for word, that's correct, yes? Screven: Yes.
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Google: And they had to do that to pass the TCK? Screven: Yes.
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Google points to a license (is this the spec license?) that says source code cannot be used in an independent implementation.
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Google: But that's what you didn't, didn't you? Oracle used the declaring code in your independent implementation, yes?
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Screven disagrees on Google reading of the license. Google: Are you saying here that declaring code is not source code?
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Google: [License] doesn't say anything about structure, sequence, and organization, does it? Screven: No, it doesn't.
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Now Google is submitting a document that Oracle(?) presented to the European Commission (what is this?)
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Oracle wanted to submit a different European Commission document this morning, was not admitted.
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This one has been pre-admitted. Oracle still objects that witness has no knowledge.
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In prior testimony, Screven said he *did* recognize. Screven now on stand says it's been 4 years and he just forgot. (Legit)
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It's awkward, but there but for the grace of god go we all.
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BTW, I did not 100% understand Screven's objections to Google's characterizations of the spec license.
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I'll listen carefully at redirect to see if I can figure out what he was saying.
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The European Commission document mentions that "a license from Sun is not a prerequisite for development" lol
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I believe this goes to who DOES need a license (?) "Only vendors that modify the source code of the reference implementation or create
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independent implementations and want to distribute their products as Java-compliant need TCK licenses (see rows 5-6)"
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Cross is over.
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Redirect.
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Oracle: Is Android a *air quotes* independent implementation?
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Screven: It's an independent implementation of *subset*—it doesn't comply with the restrictions that are required...
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Screven: .. it doesn't implement ALL of the API.
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Screven: It means that a programmer who's writing Java must either program for Android or standard Java environment.
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Screven: Furthermore it doesn't pass the TCK and it doesn't have a TCK license.
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