if Google had deviated much much further from Java, is there no point Oracle can agree to fair use?
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supposedly he took a leave of absence for some months to do contract work but well T H I R T Y years
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You didn't work at Sun while _____, did you?
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ad libs that one
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You didn't work at Sun while Java was being developed, did you?
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Google: You didn't work at Sun on a boat, did you? You didn't work at Sun on a moat, did you? Screven: No, I did not work at Sun, Sam I Am
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Oracle: Objection, Your Honor, we do not want their green eggs and ham.
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Looking at another powerpoint. * "Investing in Sun technologies is a risk bet" * Software is a "step-child" of the broader hardware biz
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Google now crossing about Apache Harmony, asking if he testified that Apache took a specification license from Sun
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Screven is backpedaling, saying that the specification license comes bundled with the specification, like something in a book
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what's that case with the wiley "license" in the book that isn't binding bc copyright law
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the one that's not kirtsaeng?
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In prior testimony, Screven said Sun never gave a license to Apache Harmony.
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Apparent contradiction, but as with many things in this trial, Screven isn't a lawyer.
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The lawyers are trying to explain the tech, the engineers are trying to explain the law, everything is backwards
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Google: You said you weren't aware of any Apache products in the commercial market... Screven: No, I said unlicensed products.
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Google: You're aware of IBM's products?
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Screven says IBM is licensed. Google asks if IBM is licensed to contribute code. Screven quibbles.
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G: Declaring code is a form of source code—that's Oracle's position in this case, correct? Screven: Declaring code is a form of source code.
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Google: Oracle used all the declaring code word for word, that's correct, yes? Screven: Yes.
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Google: And they had to do that to pass the TCK? Screven: Yes.
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Google points to a license (is this the spec license?) that says source code cannot be used in an independent implementation.
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Google: But that's what you didn't, didn't you? Oracle used the declaring code in your independent implementation, yes?
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Screven disagrees on Google reading of the license. Google: Are you saying here that declaring code is not source code?
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Google: [License] doesn't say anything about structure, sequence, and organization, does it? Screven: No, it doesn't.
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Now Google is submitting a document that Oracle(?) presented to the European Commission (what is this?)
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Oracle wanted to submit a different European Commission document this morning, was not admitted.
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This one has been pre-admitted. Oracle still objects that witness has no knowledge.
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In prior testimony, Screven said he *did* recognize. Screven now on stand says it's been 4 years and he just forgot. (Legit)
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It's awkward, but there but for the grace of god go we all.
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BTW, I did not 100% understand Screven's objections to Google's characterizations of the spec license.
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