(Astrachan likely wishes he had swapped out "concert violinists" with, like, "chess grandmasters")
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Oracle said it *was* at Danger and by SavaJe (???) Is that true?
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Oracle: Isn't it true you've never created software in a commercial setting? Astrochan: I've written software that I've sold.
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We are now talking about IEEE and ACM. Oracle: You're not aware of any ACM standard that requires Java SE be used?
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(an aside, I lol a little every time someone sends me $13.37)
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Oracle: You would agree with me sir that you don't need fair use when you've been expressly authorized to do something?
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Astrochan: I'm sorry, are you asking me a legal question? I understand I'm not supposed to answer those.
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Astrochan: With the caveat that I am not a lawyer, a license lets you do exactly what it says ...
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ACM code of ethics apparently says that software should only be duplicated with permission.
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Now asking about Astrochan's familiarity with open source.
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Oracle: You've heard of the GPL license? You've heard it referred to as a copyleft license.
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Oracle: You've heard it referred to as a viral license?
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Astrochan says that people don't like the word "viral" because of "virus" but that the word can mean positive things now
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Astrochan: Free software people view it as giving it back to the community.
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Oracle: And you agree that copyright is an indispensable tool in enforcing that kind of license?
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Astrochan: My understanding is that copyright gives you the right to enforce that kind of license.
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Oracle trying to get at a point that fair use undermines FOSS itself. This feels like it might be lost on the jury?
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lol re: a question Oracle asks Astrochan: Sounds like something a DAD would say, but sure.
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Astrochan says there's a difference between using code in its entirety as opposed to parts of it.
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Says because of that, it's not reasonable to ask if fair use would undermine FOSS.
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I keep calling him Astrochan. I meant Astrachan. SMH me
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"That seems reasonable to say it would change [the landscape of FOSS] but that's not an intellectual exercise I'm prepared to engage in"
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Cross is over. Redirect.
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Asking specific questions about GPL. And "infection." And Classpath. I just don't see how it's relevant
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Like it's really really interesting, it's just that this is still a fair use trial last I checked
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Recross happened very quickly. Witness is excused. Astrachan free to go!
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I think Astrachan is going to chill and see how the rest of this goes
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A little more housekeeping on pre-admitted exhibits, and Google rests its case.
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Oracle wants to make a motion, Alsup says he'll consider it made but will hear more later about it. Didn't hear which # under FRCP
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