Alsup giving that admonition re: English words they discussed over the break.
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Astrachan depo from Sep 2011, getting played back about how "good API developers" are rare because it's hard
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"It's hard to find people who are good at anything that's hard" like football players, concert violinists
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(Astrachan likely wishes he had swapped out "concert violinists" with, like, "chess grandmasters")
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Oracle: The choice to use the 37 APIs was not a req of the language, right? Astrachan: Right, but it was necessary to meet dev expectations
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Oracle: You mean Google's business objectives, right? Astrachan disagrees, talks about his students etc.
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Astrachan says "I think you're trying to ask if there's a universe in which Google didn't use the 37 APIs, I do think there's such a place."
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Oracle: It's true that in the community, the Java APIs are viewed as "reasonably good APIs," isn't it? Astrochan: Yes.
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... Oracle: Some lines of code are better than others? Astrochan: [Some qualifications] Sure.
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Oracle: [Without the APIs,] Java programmers would have found it cumbersome to program for the Android platform, right?
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Oracle: So you thought it was a sound business practice to leverage developers . . . . A: That sounds reasonable and like something I'd say.
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Oracle: It's true that you're not an economist? Astrochan: That's true.
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Oracle: Is it true sir that you have not offered your opinion on whether Java SE is something that can be used in phones?
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Oracle said it *was* at Danger and by SavaJe (???) Is that true?
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Oracle: Isn't it true you've never created software in a commercial setting? Astrochan: I've written software that I've sold.
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We are now talking about IEEE and ACM. Oracle: You're not aware of any ACM standard that requires Java SE be used?
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(an aside, I lol a little every time someone sends me $13.37)
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Oracle: You would agree with me sir that you don't need fair use when you've been expressly authorized to do something?
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Astrochan: I'm sorry, are you asking me a legal question? I understand I'm not supposed to answer those.
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Astrochan: With the caveat that I am not a lawyer, a license lets you do exactly what it says ...
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ACM code of ethics apparently says that software should only be duplicated with permission.
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Now asking about Astrochan's familiarity with open source.
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Oracle: You've heard of the GPL license? You've heard it referred to as a copyleft license.
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Oracle: You've heard it referred to as a viral license?
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Astrochan says that people don't like the word "viral" because of "virus" but that the word can mean positive things now
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Astrochan: Free software people view it as giving it back to the community.
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Oracle: And you agree that copyright is an indispensable tool in enforcing that kind of license?
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Astrochan: My understanding is that copyright gives you the right to enforce that kind of license.
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Oracle trying to get at a point that fair use undermines FOSS itself. This feels like it might be lost on the jury?
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