Alsup: I don't like testimony where the witness is throwing back something that Oracle said.
-
-
Oracle: Is it true that the purpose of the 37 APIs in Android is the same as in the Java platform?
-
Astrochan says that it's a different context.
-
(but — and i'm heavily paraphrasing — that functions are the same, because functionality)
-
Astrachan has been in court since last week, has heard much of the case. Oracle now asking him about other testimony in the case.
-
Oracle: Designing a good API is difficult, isn't it? Astrachan agrees. Oracle: The way being a painter or a concert artist is hard?
-
Astrachan: I think they're hard, I don't think they're hard in the same way.
-
Astrachan depo from Sep 2011, getting played back about how "good API developers" are rare because it's hard
-
"It's hard to find people who are good at anything that's hard" like football players, concert violinists
-
(Astrachan likely wishes he had swapped out "concert violinists" with, like, "chess grandmasters")
-
Oracle: The choice to use the 37 APIs was not a req of the language, right? Astrachan: Right, but it was necessary to meet dev expectations
-
Oracle: You mean Google's business objectives, right? Astrachan disagrees, talks about his students etc.
-
Astrachan says "I think you're trying to ask if there's a universe in which Google didn't use the 37 APIs, I do think there's such a place."
-
Oracle: It's true that in the community, the Java APIs are viewed as "reasonably good APIs," isn't it? Astrochan: Yes.
-
... Oracle: Some lines of code are better than others? Astrochan: [Some qualifications] Sure.
-
Oracle: [Without the APIs,] Java programmers would have found it cumbersome to program for the Android platform, right?
-
Oracle: So you thought it was a sound business practice to leverage developers . . . . A: That sounds reasonable and like something I'd say.
-
Oracle: It's true that you're not an economist? Astrochan: That's true.
-
Oracle: Is it true sir that you have not offered your opinion on whether Java SE is something that can be used in phones?
-
Oracle said it *was* at Danger and by SavaJe (???) Is that true?
-
Oracle: Isn't it true you've never created software in a commercial setting? Astrochan: I've written software that I've sold.
-
We are now talking about IEEE and ACM. Oracle: You're not aware of any ACM standard that requires Java SE be used?
-
(an aside, I lol a little every time someone sends me $13.37)
-
Oracle: You would agree with me sir that you don't need fair use when you've been expressly authorized to do something?
-
Astrochan: I'm sorry, are you asking me a legal question? I understand I'm not supposed to answer those.
-
Astrochan: With the caveat that I am not a lawyer, a license lets you do exactly what it says ...
-
ACM code of ethics apparently says that software should only be duplicated with permission.
-
Now asking about Astrochan's familiarity with open source.
-
Oracle: You've heard of the GPL license? You've heard it referred to as a copyleft license.
- 64 réponses de plus
Nouvelle conversation -
Le chargement semble prendre du temps.
Twitter est peut-être en surcapacité ou rencontre momentanément un incident. Réessayez ou rendez-vous sur la page Twitter Status pour plus d'informations.