Bloch: I had said that at one point in my life, but on further reflection, I think I misspoke.
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Smith is giving a deposition as a 30(b)(6) witness, meaning he is there to speak on behalf of Oracle.
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Google: Do you understand the Java language to include the APIs? Smith: Yes, the APIs are a critical part of the language.
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Smith: The APIs are a fundamental part of what makes Java Java, what makes a developer recognize Java.
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Google: Do you believe that the Java language and Java APIs are inseparable? Smith: Um...I’m not sure I fully understand the context of that
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Google: In other words, can the two be separated for the purposes of what is permissible?
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Smith: So, again, as it relates to the specification and the language is it’s defined, no they’re not separable...
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Smith: ...they’re all defined together under the same specification.
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Google: Is that part of Oracle’s overall business strategy, to encourage people to write in Java programming language?
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Smith: Yes, again, a lot of our products are based on Java. …the more that the platform is available, the better it is for us as a business.
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Smith says there are 10+ million Java developers in the world, and their business is growing and makes lots of money. This is 2015.
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Then the video skips ahead to the afternoon of the deposition. Smith is no longer sounding peppy. He looks a little defeated.
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Smith wants to walk back what he said about the APIs. He says he conferred withs someone who ought to know better and he's backpedaling
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He says something about the specification I can't quite parse. Then Google asks him about the distinction between Java lang and Java APIs.
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Smith: I’m not sure I understand the question.
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Google: When I asked you the questions this morning, were you confused at the time? Smith: I was confused, yes.
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[reading between the lines: his attorneys gave him a stern talking to over their lunch break]
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We're now hearing from Simon Phipps, who was Chief Java Evangelist at IBM.
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PS, he also has some feelings about FOSS and maybe even copyright, probably?pic.twitter.com/XHJGOe6Ngg
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Phipps left IBM for Sun, then left Sun when it was acquired by Oracle. The incest in this case is crazy
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Google: Can you explain what source code is?
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Google: Can you explain what object code is?
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Google: To what extent can open source code be used in commercial software for profit?
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Phipps: Oh, it's fundamental to open source.
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Phipps now explaining a blogpost where he said, "The Java platform is more a market-maker than a revenue generator."
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lol Google: What is FAQ? Phipps: It stands for Frequently Asked Questions.
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Sun FAQ on Java & open source entered into evidence.
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Oh god we're back to GNU Classpath
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No, foundation for this exhibit, so he can explain what Apache Harmony, GNU Classpath, etc arehttps://twitter.com/rachelking/status/731174070037979136 …
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Phipps talked to ppl at Apache Harmony and GNU Classpath on behalf of Sun.
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