oh my god lawyer is asking about a later witness using an easel what is this easel going to be used for
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Bloch: I had said that at one point in my life, but on further reflection, I think I misspoke.
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Now playing a 2011 depo, where Bloch explains that he wrote that email because the guy had mentioned a "verboten topic."
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Oracle [tape]: Why did you think that was a verboten topic? Bloch: [thinking for a while]
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Bloch says that the general sense of that they couldn't use GPL code other than the Linux kernel. (Makes sense? It's GPL?)
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(Is the jury going to catch that GPL thing?)
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Bloch stands by testimony, but clarifies in a "ummm actually" voice that "verboten" wasn't right word, he should have said "controversial"
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She's reading a page out of the Java spec where Sun Microsystems gives a license on the inner leaf (didn't catch what was licensed)
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Bloch is excused.
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Now watching a video of a depo of Donald Smith, who worked at Oracle in 2015.
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Google [tape]: Have you ever been deposed before? Smith: I have not. oh boy
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oh boooooy
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Smith is giving a deposition as a 30(b)(6) witness, meaning he is there to speak on behalf of Oracle.
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Google: Do you understand the Java language to include the APIs? Smith: Yes, the APIs are a critical part of the language.
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Smith: The APIs are a fundamental part of what makes Java Java, what makes a developer recognize Java.
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Google: Do you believe that the Java language and Java APIs are inseparable? Smith: Um...I’m not sure I fully understand the context of that
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Google: In other words, can the two be separated for the purposes of what is permissible?
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Smith: So, again, as it relates to the specification and the language is it’s defined, no they’re not separable...
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Smith: ...they’re all defined together under the same specification.
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Google: Is that part of Oracle’s overall business strategy, to encourage people to write in Java programming language?
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Smith: Yes, again, a lot of our products are based on Java. …the more that the platform is available, the better it is for us as a business.
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Smith says there are 10+ million Java developers in the world, and their business is growing and makes lots of money. This is 2015.
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Then the video skips ahead to the afternoon of the deposition. Smith is no longer sounding peppy. He looks a little defeated.
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Smith wants to walk back what he said about the APIs. He says he conferred withs someone who ought to know better and he's backpedaling
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He says something about the specification I can't quite parse. Then Google asks him about the distinction between Java lang and Java APIs.
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Smith: I’m not sure I understand the question.
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Google: When I asked you the questions this morning, were you confused at the time? Smith: I was confused, yes.
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[reading between the lines: his attorneys gave him a stern talking to over their lunch break]
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We're now hearing from Simon Phipps, who was Chief Java Evangelist at IBM.
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PS, he also has some feelings about FOSS and maybe even copyright, probably?pic.twitter.com/XHJGOe6Ngg
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Phipps left IBM for Sun, then left Sun when it was acquired by Oracle. The incest in this case is crazy
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