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Google: Has Java revenue increased since you acquired Sun? (It did)
Google: Do you know why it’s increased? Ellison: *stammers, INCREDIBLY flustered*
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Now we're having a readback of a 2015 depo of John Duimovich, who worked at IBM.
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Duimovich is testifying on behalf of IBM. He's a Java CTO.
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Duimovich is explaining that IBM's implementation of Java uses Apache Harmony (a free, unlicensed implementation of Java).
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The IBM Java SE SDK uses Apache Harmony, and IBM products that use the IBM SE SDK include: Lotus Notes, IBM Commerce.
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Duimovich: "There’s lots and lots of products."
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About ten API packages from Apache Harmony are used in IBM Java 6.
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IBM meets with Sun/Oracle regularly about Java.
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IBM also contributes core classes to Apache Harmony. Sun/Oracle has never brought up Apache Harmony in these meetings.
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Here's a stipulation that's just been read to the jury:pic.twitter.com/dQEKwwL43M
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Rest of the stipulation defines packages, classes, and methods, and declaring code. Was not able to write it down verbatim.
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