I knew there were some sketchy things about the Stanford prison experiment but whew this piece!https://medium.com/s/trustissues/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62 …
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Also the pretty frightening bit about how the experiment contributed to the “nothing works” attitude that stymied prison rehabilitation programs for decades.
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The last 3rd of the article you said you read all the way to the end. ;)
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Oh bugger off.
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I’m not kidding; I didn’t make that up, it’s the point the article is making.
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And what do you get to believe, if the article was a lie? That nothing could ever make you do evil things? Finally, you know you are safe? kthx i'm actually concerned about real people in real prison today
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Sorry, I promise you I read this three times carefully before I gave up trying to understand what you’re saying. I’m just saying what’s interesting about the article and rebutting your claim that it’s not a live issue since the SPE is from 1971.
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Yeah. *forty* years later people were still bitching. Now it's *fifty* years later. He's spent his life dealing with one really stupid experiment. Nobody wants his findings to be true. Nobody can ethically do the science to find out, really. Wakefield? Different situation.
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I dunno, I always read the experiment as (a) a single data point, and (b) if anything, indicating that inhuman systems can find actors to carry out their inhumanity, and that the blame lies with both the actors but especially with the authority figures that sanction their actions
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I'm not saying that people don't use it to justify exoneration of the contituant populations of oppressive and dehumanizing systems, I guess I'm just saying that that's an interpretation pre-supposed by those who use this as an example, & anyone so determined won't be dissuaded.
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That is exactly the opposite conclusion that Zimbardo has been touting since Abu Ghraib and before. The piece goes too far. Neither “spontaneous sadism” nor “only the system is to blame” is correct. The lessons from the experiment stand.
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To wit: people can be overly deferential to authority and when doing so, can commit abuses that would defy their own standards.
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Also, it's easier for sensational experiments with bad methodology/controls & no replicability to get mass publicity and be referenced by every single psych book rather than derided as immersive theater. :(
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I see where you're coming from, though.
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