A rare situation where even I don't care about the truth, either they weren't monsters and we shouldn't say they were, or they were made monsters and we still shouldn't say they were. Either way, grant them their peace. And we should still worry about deference to authority.
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Curious whether you read the piece to the end?
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I did. Zimbardo's been dealing with this since 1971. It's 2018. Criticism on this scale is basically reserved for him, and Henry Kissinger. I'm cool with "it never happened". But I'm seeing a bunch of kids in cages *right now* so I don't want to forget the lesson.
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Not sure you caught the implications — that the basic premise of the experiment, that there's a monster in all of us, exonerates systems?pic.twitter.com/uvTEf44POu
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A cultural belief that sadism is a spontaneous result of situational placement rather than, say, carried out at the behest of your direct superiors as part of a racialized system, seems to matter?
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Also the pretty frightening bit about how the experiment contributed to the “nothing works” attitude that stymied prison rehabilitation programs for decades.
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The last 3rd of the article you said you read all the way to the end. ;)
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The Theranos of psychology
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Similarly the Milgram experiment seems to have been flaky:https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ …
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Thanks for sharing.
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There are very sketchy things about this experiment. And, unfortunately research has continued to rely on findings as though they revealed some kind of irrefutable ground floor truths.
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Sadly all of science has a reproducability problem. Makes you wonder how much of our understanding is a house of cards.
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If did an experiment today using all white male experimental subjects who had only attended segregated schools, believed that women were inherently inferior, and that is was *obvious* martial rape is inherently impossible I would not say it applied to all people always ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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