@sarahdoingthing hmmm... as separate phenomena. Not sure this holds up, or that you can separate. By your own "Belonging Primacy" theory..
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@sarahdoingthing ..would stand to reason that pain from "banishment" (not belonging) is set to "high" evolutionarily (=do anything to avoid)2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
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@AlexSchleber intermediating all of this is the conscious self - the source of all this pain (thinking of Rochat, Baumeister)1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@AlexSchleber destroy the self and you're golden1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@sarahdoingthing the Conscious Mind != the seat of the emotions or larger calculus driving these things. In any event it can't get agency..2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
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@sarahdoingthing ..w/out cooperation from Unconscious. Takes a lot to override Survival Instinct, = why there's "call for help" attempts2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
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@sarahdoingthing I'm not saying there can't be cases of: "Go right past suicidality into deep catatonia", but that's a fraction of all Depr.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@sarahdoingthing your idea would imply that for each suicide, they didn't get depressed deeply enough quickly enough?!1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@AlexSchleber it's testable - explains paradox of increase in suicides on the most effective antidepressants1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@sarahdoingthing not sure. "Most effective" antidepressants still the most crude of tools to mess with the Gestalt of the depressed person.2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
@AlexSchleber oh I'm not saying they're any good at all
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