@adamdangelo @KevinSimler so not at all the case that benefits are only on daughters - males get a mating benefit
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Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing@adamdangelo Yes, males benefit from runaway. Females benefits from honest signals. But who benefits from *handicaps*?2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler@adamdangelo both because handicaps are honest signals and they reduce the costs of mate selection1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@KevinSimler@adamdangelo how else would you signal fitness? nature is cruel & horrible2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing@adamdangelo Facial symmetry is a signal of a strong immune system(?), but isn't costly to carry around. Just hard to fake.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler@adamdangelo yup see previous link - it's possible but not universal, as in human economic systems2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing@adamdangelo So...do straight up "make life harder (for males)"-type handicaps exist? Or only liar-prevention handicaps?2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler@adamdangelo all the latter are the former - not sure what the point of male hardship without signal/mating benefit would be2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing@adamdangelo Point might be to prove the fitness of the rest of the genome.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@KevinSimler fitness is not just about survival. you see weird things like horns only useful for ritual combat with conspecifics2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
@KevinSimler so even if it's not just about female choice, dominating mating is just as constraining on fitness as survival
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Replying to @sarahdoingthing
@sarahdoingthing Of course!! I get this. Lots of "waste" all around.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @KevinSimler
@sarahdoingthing I am wondering about the existence of a specific kind of waste: a straight up survival handicap w/ no other signaling value1 reply 0 retweets 1 like - 2 more replies
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