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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker May 18

    Steven Pinker Retweeted Coleman Hughes

    20 years ago Orlando Patterson noted that culture was, paradoxically, taboo in sociology as an explanation of ethnic outcomes. Coleman Hughes argues that’s still true today.https://twitter.com/coldxman/status/995821593719922688 …

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    Coleman Hughes @coldxman
    The Racism Treadmill http://quillette.com/2018/05/14/the-racism-treadmill/ …
    1:12 AM - 18 May 2018
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      2. Arthur Sakamoto‏ @sakamoto_arthur May 18
        Replying to @sapinker

        Which is why sociological research on Asian Americans has unfortunately lost most of its credibility these days: https://www.academia.edu/36642883/Fake_News_in_the_American_Sociological_Review_Claims_that_Asian_Americans_Dont_Really_Value_Education …https://www.academia.edu/36164916/Are_Asian_Americans_disadvantaged_by_white_privilege_ …

        1 reply 3 retweets 10 likes
      3. End of conversation
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      2. Daniel O'Brien‏ @DannyMuse008 May 18
        Replying to @sapinker

        Why avoid discussing obvious causative and contributing factors?

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Tony‏ @Tony_Arcieri May 18
        Replying to @DannyMuse008 @sapinker

        Because it might help to solve the problem and probe there’s no racism involved

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Anti Racism‏ @anti_racism101 May 18
        Replying to @Tony_Arcieri @DannyMuse008 @sapinker

        Because it will give #whitesupremacist the ability to avoid confronting the global system they created that royally f$cked and f$cks black people primarily

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Tony‏ @Tony_Arcieri May 18
        Replying to @anti_racism101 @DannyMuse008 @sapinker

        What you should do is start looking at the world without that black centric view that blinds you from seeing what’s actually going on. I have sympathy for black plight but if you make everything out to be about blacks & whites you can’t understand the system or what it’s doing.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Anti Racism‏ @anti_racism101 May 18
        Replying to @Tony_Arcieri @DannyMuse008 @sapinker

        https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/6/13/15768622/facebook-google-racism-social-media-seth-everybody-lies …

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Tony‏ @Tony_Arcieri May 18
        Replying to @anti_racism101 @DannyMuse008 @sapinker

        I’d never believe a thing VOX promotes, they’re part of the Libtarded elites propaganda machine. Get off of that Demonrat plantation, they’re the ones making people more racist by controlling the media and education. They thrive on racism and need that otherwise they’re finished.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. End of conversation
      1. Economic Man‏ @EconomicManBlog May 18
        Replying to @sapinker

        This @coldxman is an impressive dude. About 21 years old and philosophy major at Columbia, whose real thing is music. Very impressive.

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      2. Nicole McNeil‏ @NicoleMMcNeil May 18
        Replying to @sapinker

        Tricky thing here is that we do have actual evidence of bias that is hard to ignore (e.g., drug arrests/convictions, school disciplinary actions, callbacks on resumes). Also, that bit Black vs White college grad women earnings doesn’t control for being a stay-at-home mom.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Oantastlig‏ @Oantastlig May 18
        Replying to @NicoleMMcNeil @sapinker

        The problem with that argument, while of course true in individual cases, is that with relevant controls (primarily IQ) there is almost no difference in life outcome. This is however a good thing - the goal is no discrimination and racism.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Nicole McNeil‏ @NicoleMMcNeil May 18
        Replying to @Oantastlig @sapinker

        I’m sorry I don’t understand your point. Which argument are you referring to? The evidence of discrimination and implicit bias against blacks is a group phenomenon, not an individual phenomenon. 1/2

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Nicole McNeil‏ @NicoleMMcNeil May 18
        Replying to @NicoleMMcNeil @Oantastlig @sapinker

        Also, would love to see the references for your claim that outcomes are the same when controlling for important factors. This evidence suggests otherwise-> https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/el2017-26.pdf …

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Oantastlig‏ @Oantastlig May 18
        Replying to @NicoleMMcNeil @sapinker

        Hello again, glad to hear that you are interested in the topic. I’m out now but here is an interview with prof Bryan Caplan making that argument (talks about correcting for IQ early). I will give you more sources when I get home:http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/12/caplan_on_discr.html …

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      7. Nicole McNeil‏ @NicoleMMcNeil May 18
        Replying to @Oantastlig @sapinker

        Thanks for sharing the podcast. I look forward to seeing some peer-reviewed papers. I’m not saying that to be snarky, but I give little credence to Caplan’s remarks about analyses he threw together for class. I’m sure he’s a great guy, but I want to read the Methods & Results.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Oantastlig‏ @Oantastlig May 19
        Replying to @NicoleMMcNeil @sapinker

        The good thing is that it is a large and public data-set so you can download it and do the calculations yourself with full control 😊 these argument were also made by the black prof Thomas Sowell 40-years ago, and are still the same:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pQ7KXv0o0 …

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      9. Nicole McNeil‏ @NicoleMMcNeil May 19
        Replying to @Oantastlig @sapinker

        OK, I downloaded the data and the Black-White income gap is still there after I control for age, sex, marital status (0/1), highest degree, # children, SAT math, and SAT verbal. The Hispanic-White gap does go away. (I randomly chose 2013 family income as DV).

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Aaron Berdofe‏ @aaronberdofe May 18
        Replying to @sapinker

        Honest question: why are indigenous people in the US excluded from arguments for progress on the issues of systemic racism and inequality in Enlightenment Now or this shared article?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. You Should Have Voted Gary‏ @colorblindk1d May 18
        Replying to @aaronberdofe @sapinker

        Because nobody wants to address he fact that the reservation system has been an abject failure from the start and any discussion of getting rid of them becomes about genocidal oppression.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. You Should Have Voted Gary‏ @colorblindk1d May 18
        Replying to @colorblindk1d @aaronberdofe @sapinker

        We actually had a Native American Vice President, Charles Curtis. He was 1/4 or 1/8 Native, spent his childhood on a reservation, spoke Kaw, and never hid his ancestry. He advocated for getting rid of reservations, which is now verboten, so history has forgotten him.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Anti Racism‏ @anti_racism101 May 18
        Replying to @colorblindk1d @aaronberdofe @sapinker

        Because white people would have to come to grips with the #whitesupremacist behavior that uses terrorism against indigenous melanated ppl globally

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. You Should Have Voted Gary‏ @colorblindk1d May 18
        Replying to @anti_racism101 @aaronberdofe @sapinker

        What white people have done is no more cruel or evil than what all of those indigenous people were doing to each other for centuries. Just the idea that slavery is bad is a recent development in human history. Neither I nor my Polish ancestors had anything to do with colonization

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Anti Racism‏ @anti_racism101 May 18
        Replying to @colorblindk1d @aaronberdofe @sapinker

        Is that your way of saying anti black #whitesupremacist behavior isn’t the cause of negative black outcomes ?pic.twitter.com/T0gJbcXrEK

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Adam Kolasinski‏ @adamckolasinski May 18
        Replying to @anti_racism101 @colorblindk1d and

        It obviously was the the cause when that photo was taken. But that was over 40 years ago. I don't see too much evidence that it remains major cause today.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. TheBIArchitect‏ @BIArchitectess May 18
        Replying to @adamckolasinski @anti_racism101 and

        More like over 60 years ago. Racism and segregation were bad, but as long as people cling tightly to the issues of the past, and persist in trying to punish people for things they never did, then they'll never be able to move on, and others will get tired of trying to help them.

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