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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker May 15

    Saving the climate requires decarbonizing energy sources. Some math on how to do that (and how fossil-fuel companies are hiding it - not in the way you think).https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/15/solar-and-wind-lock-in-fossil-fuels-that-makes-saving-the-climate-harder-slower-more-expensive/#4f2b371621d4 …

    12:01 PM - 15 May 2018
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      2. Scott Ferguson‏ @scottferg20 May 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        The California grid is being transformed to accommodate more distributed resources & using more batteries. Distributed batteries like the #TeslaPowerWall2 will play a massive role going forward, enabling widespread loadshifting. #Microgrids, #H2 #fuelcells & #efficiency too.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD May 15
        Replying to @scottferg20 @sapinker

        Unlikely, and I address that in my piece. The largest lithium battery storage center in the U.S. can only provide enough power for 20,000 homes for four hours;

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD May 15
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD @scottferg20 @sapinker

        It would require 15,280 storage centers the size of Escondido to provide just four hours of backup power for the U.S. grid — at an estimated cost of $764 billion.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Scott Ferguson‏ @scottferg20 May 15
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD @sapinker

        With the great work that @California_ISO is doing with the Western EIM, enabling massive sharing of renewables across time zones, combined with efficiency efforts to decrease load, that much storage won't be needed. Distributed, behind the meter #storage is just beginning.

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      2. EigenEagle‏ @EigenEagle May 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        The problem is that too many liberals and progressives want to FEEL good when it comes to the environment and not DO good. If you want to get emissions down in a timely manner, we need to bring a gun to a gun fight. More nuclear power, please.

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      3.  🐏 Radical  ⚛️ Goats  🐏‏ @RadicalGoats May 15
        Replying to @EigenEagle @sapinker

        I think a lot of liberals and progressives honestly don’t know better WRT variable renewables and nuclear. Some can be brought around when you explain what’s really going on: others really get their backs up.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4.  🐏 Radical  ⚛️ Goats  🐏‏ @RadicalGoats May 15
        Replying to @RadicalGoats @EigenEagle @sapinker

        Interestingly leftists (socialists, communists) are very pro-nuclear. It was actually a socialist acquaintance of mine who made me an advocate for nuclear power.

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      2. Pure Climate Skeptic‏ @Carbongate May 15
        Replying to @sapinker @noturbine

        pic.twitter.com/NWOajHJsT6

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      2. Media Frenzy‏ @MediaFrenzyrp May 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Three reasons he's wrong. chernobyl, TMI, and fukishima, plus I'll bet they won't store the waste in your neighborhood. France put it on some pacific islanders.

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      3. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD May 15
        Replying to @MediaFrenzyrp @sapinker

        Respectfully, you're repeating propaganda. Please consider reading or watching this:http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/11/21/why-i-changed-my-mind-about-nuclear-power-transcript-of-michael-shellenbergers-tedx-berlin-2017 …

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      4. Media Frenzy‏ @MediaFrenzyrp May 15
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD @sapinker

        You also did not mention the waste disposal, again a highly centralized controlled system is required to do this safely, and once implemented, people are largely hostage to whoever works with the government to monitor this.

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      5. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD May 15
        Replying to @MediaFrenzyrp @sapinker

        Yes, I did. Did you read it?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Media Frenzy‏ @MediaFrenzyrp May 15
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD @sapinker

        yes, you just said it was contained so somehow better than waste from other things that go into the environment. nothing about the huge cost of long term storage and security requirements. also you misrepresent fossil fuel wastes from a toxicity stand point. .

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      7. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD May 15
        Replying to @MediaFrenzyrp @sapinker

        It's not a huge cost. It just sits there on site. And there's $40 billion in the US waste fund. Most of it should just be returned to the operators since there's no need to move the waste.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Media Frenzy‏ @MediaFrenzyrp May 15
        Replying to @ShellenbergerMD @sapinker

        Bt if it is widely used, security is expensive, wasn't that the point of yucca mountain, put it all in one place so the risk of someone stealing some waste would be much less.

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      9. Mike Shellenberger‏Verified account @ShellenbergerMD May 15
        Replying to @MediaFrenzyrp @sapinker

        No, it's not. Just ring fence it inside existing plants. No need to move it. How exactly do you think someone could steal it, and what do you think they'd be able to do with it?

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      2. John Champagne‏ @TallPhilosopher May 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Embody moral precepts 2 make a sustainable and just society. When industries put pollution or deplete resources, they should be made to pay compensation to the ppl @ large. When prices reflect true costs, the economy will automatically shift toward sustainable business practicespic.twitter.com/t7tvYGZeZc

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      3.  🐏 Radical  ⚛️ Goats  🐏‏ @RadicalGoats May 15
        Replying to @TallPhilosopher @sapinker

        There’s another aspect of this, which is that nuclear power can end energy poverty, topple oil dictatorships, and replace power generation sources that kill the poor and disadvantaged with pollution.

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      2. Cassandra Tully‏ @CassandraMTully May 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Great article. When will you IDW people learn that there is more suppression of wisdom in the energy industry than anywhere else in academia. "Humankind has never transitioned to energy sources that are more costly, less reliable, and have a larger environmental footprint"

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      3. Richard Liu‏ @RichardJXLiu May 15
        Replying to @CassandraMTully @sapinker

        Imagine 7 billion people are burning dry sticks, grass, and manure for cooking and heating! That would change the climate immediately.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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