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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker May 2

    New finding on critical window for learning language from a study of 2/3 million speakers by Josh Hartshorne, Josh Tenenbaum, and me: proficiency declines after 10, but underlying ability declines around 17.http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43947365 …

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      1. Neha Bharti‏ @nehabharti19 May 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        My self-assuring takeaway from this: "You can be an excellent communicator, even if you don't sound like a native speaker or don't get all your sentences grammatically correct."

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      1. Aidan K.‏ @WellsiteGeo May 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        "Ability declines" around 17 .... But does not disappear. Which may yield an experimental design for investigation. I started to learn Russian in my late 30s and German & Polish in my late 40s. French & Spanish as a teenager. Traces of Swahili.

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      2. CreamyCentrist‏ @CreamyCentrist May 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        Ooof. Did this control for... I'm not going to have enough characters here.

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      3. Beyond Language Learning‏ @beyondlanglearn May 2
        Replying to @CreamyCentrist @sapinker

        You mean control for the vast differences between what typical child and adult second language learners do and experience, to see to what extent the changes in these with age are responsible for the avg decline in attainment as opposed to an inherent loss of ability in the brain?

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      4. CreamyCentrist‏ @CreamyCentrist May 2
        Replying to @beyondlanglearn @sapinker

        Yes, and for confounders within populations who are learning a 2nd language and those who do not. This topic seems brutal. I don't mean to sound defeatist -it's just my natural state.

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      1. ozlem‏ @oztrz May 7
        Replying to @sapinker

        This means a longer 'critical age'. Good to hear😀

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      1. Fayaz Shah‏ @fayazschah May 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        Rare tweets on linguistics after a long time.

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      1. JU‏ @chaos_sonata May 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        Speaking from personal experience, I think this will be continually revised upward over time. So much of the 'science' of language formation is dogmatic - many life changes are compounding at 18 and individual variability is enormous.

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      1. Beyond Language Learning‏ @beyondlanglearn May 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        Correlation does not imply causation. What about controlling for the vast differences between what typical adult and child L2 learners do & experience? Children get a rich input environment supporting implicit learning, are allowed to internalize L2 before producing it much, etc.

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      2. Skeptique ©‏ @Skeptique May 2
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        Not for me. Started French at 11. Still useless.

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      3. szspagna‏ @szspagna May 3
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        It's a foul language, anyways. Ain't nobody need it!

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      4. Skeptique ©‏ @Skeptique May 3
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        😂

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      1. Arnt Furunes‏ @Dahlspils May 2
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        Does this study show any differences or correlations between monolingual and bilingual learners?

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