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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Apr 17

    The role of genetic testing is probably overblown: Old-fashioned IQ tests measure the combined effects of the heritable AND the environmental AND the random drivers of IQ, and thus are probably more predictive than genotyping.https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/04/iq-trap-how-new-genetics-could-transform-education …

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      2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Apr 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        True, but heritability of IQ increases so dramatically with age that a genomic score at birth might predict adult IQ better than a phenotypic test at age 8 does...

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      3. gwern‏ @gwern Apr 18
        Replying to @primalpoly @sapinker

        "'Should we trust models or observations?' In reply we note that if we had observations of the future, we obviously would trust them more than models, but unfortunately observations of the future are not available at this time." -- Knutson & Tuleya 2005

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      2. Jefferson Carpenter‏ @jrqcarpenter Apr 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        IQ tests have a troubled past, people complaining that there's more to intelligence than what the IQ test tests. However I would argue the IQ test has become more useful over time, as its scope and predictive power become better understood. Genotyping is still a new technology.

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      3. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 17
        Replying to @jrqcarpenter @sapinker

        Genotyping won't show anything like that.

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      1. The Alchemist‏ @thealchemicway Apr 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        #WednesdayWisdom #art #Intelligence #science needs to loosen up a little.pic.twitter.com/Pn2TbGSuga

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      2. ศཞ₮f๑ཞຮ₮ཞศསgʆཛཞຮ‏ @ArtForStrangers Apr 18
        Replying to @sapinker

        What is "intelligence"? Physical intelligence? (Athleticism) Rhythmic/musical intelligence? Visual/artistic intelligence? Play good chess? Any of those count? Or just scoring high on scholastic tests that are now treated as flawless quantifiers of some arbitrary definition?

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      3. RussianEmailBurglar‏ @alienchemtrails Apr 18
        Replying to @ArtForStrangers @sapinker

        I often define intelligence as the ability to search the space of possibilities for what maps to reality. I think biologically speaking it is correlate to the speed at which neurons can form connections. Hope that helps.

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      2. Drius‏ @noisefy Apr 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        The fact that genes influence your intelligence is (and has always been) a given. The real question is, what % of that is gene-based and what % of it is environment based? Let me know when that study is published. Before that happens, it's all just empty data.

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      3. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 17
        Replying to @noisefy @sapinker

        Attempting to partition traits on how 'genetic' or 'environmental' they are doesn't make sense. Yoy can't separate them.

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      4. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 18
        Replying to @Race__Realist @noisefy @sapinker

        More evidence for my point:pic.twitter.com/SQwuazpVEM

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      5. Drius‏ @noisefy Apr 18
        Replying to @Race__Realist @sapinker

        You're a bit confused here. Do you disagree that environment can affect a single human being's intelligence? I'm not arguing that environment produced effects are then transferred genetically, if that's what you were building your argument against.

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      6. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 18
        Replying to @noisefy @sapinker

        Not confused. You can't separate nature and nurture.

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      7. Rigid Signifier‏ @Placemarker99 Apr 20
        Replying to @Race__Realist @noisefy @sapinker

        So twin studies are meaningless?

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      8. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 20
        Replying to @Placemarker99 @noisefy @sapinker

        Yes.

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      2. SymmetricSpectrum‏ @SymmetricSpec Apr 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        By the way, gene based intelligence will become less relevant as we technologically modify our genes in the near future. Genetic essentialism, based on race, deteriorates as we progress technologically. Be wary of those who make too big a deal about IQ and intelligence...

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      2. Moo Moo LaBiff‏ @moomoolabiff Apr 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        @Race__Realist thoughts

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      3. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 17
        Replying to @moomoolabiff @sapinker

        False dichotomy (nature/nurture), genes don't determine, twins don't 'prove' that 'intelligence' is heritable because the EEA is false so twin studies don't prove 'intelligence' is heritable, heritability estimates continue the false dichotomy of nature vs nurture.

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      4. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 17
        Replying to @Race__Realist @moomoolabiff @sapinker

        And iq tests are constructed on the basis of social class so no wonder it 'predicts'

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      5. Brad Barnes‏ @BradBarnes_GA Apr 17
        Replying to @Race__Realist @moomoolabiff @sapinker

        You mean that IQ and income tends to strongly direct correlate - The higher IQ is, the higher income is?

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      6. RaceRealist‏ @Race__Realist Apr 17
        Replying to @BradBarnes_GA @moomoolabiff @sapinker

        No.

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