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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Mar 23

    My colleague David Reich argues that denying all genetic differences among races won’t help, and ultimately will hurt, the fight against racism. How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html …

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      2. BLACK CONSERVATIVE‏ @blackrepublican Mar 25
        Replying to @sapinker

        BLACK CONSERVATIVE Retweeted Agent 666

        Your colleagues claims are being challenged:https://twitter.com/jenniferraff/status/977908429485432834?s=21 …

        BLACK CONSERVATIVE added,

        Agent 666Verified account @JenniferRaff
        So for everyone nodding along with the notion that “human genetic variation exists therefore race is real, but not like Nicholas Wade says”, I hope you’re prepared to do the hard work of engaging with the public on these issues. (1/n)
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      3. BLACK CONSERVATIVE‏ @blackrepublican Mar 25
        Replying to @blackrepublican @sapinker

        “One of the major scientific accomplishments of the 20th century was to distinguish the study of race from the study of human variation. Reich works on the latter. But he writes about the former because (1) it’s more interesting; and (2) he doesn’t understand the difference.”

        1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
      4. BLACK CONSERVATIVE‏ @blackrepublican Mar 25
        Replying to @blackrepublican @sapinker

        👉🏿 http://anthropomics2.blogspot.com/2018/03/theres-arrogant-anti-intellectual.html …

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      1. JAM‏ @jagustinmaza Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        "An abiding challenge for our civilization is to treat each human being as an individual and to empower all people, regardless of what hand they are dealt from the deck of life". David Reich.

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      2. sixiang‏ @junzistoic Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        On the other hand, I don’t think Western establishment will give ground on this one because to do so will open up the case that they engaged in disastrous and irreversible social experiment- probably would rather implode than concede this.

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      2. Stephen Henstock‏ @HenstockStephen Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        Interesting article on the not-going-away topic of the influence of genetics in racial populations and the sexes. The important thing is to keep the topic open and accurate to stymie both the Blank Slate essentialists who deny it and bigots who abuse it.

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      2. eahunbay‏ @EAhunbay Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        the problem is not whether there are differences.. it is that denying that there could be, although it is completely a possibility and would be a fact either way based on empiric determination

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. James Ladwig‏ @jgladwig Mar 23
        Replying to @EAhunbay @sapinker

        Be careful, identifying differences does not identify causality

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      2. sixiang‏ @junzistoic Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        Some concessions need to be made to reality, otherwise ordinary people will keep drifting to the alt-right. The establishment can move to win back credibility.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Jack Kessel  🇺🇸 🇬🇧 🇫🇷‏ @jackkessl Mar 23
        Replying to @junzistoic @sapinker

        I don't see how. Both the political and scientific establishments are invested in this hyper-egalitarian narrative. Acknowledging racial differences blows the entire worldview out of the water, and means they were complicit in a damaging social experiment for 60 years.

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      2. sixiang‏ @junzistoic Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        Accepting that some genetic component exists strengthens the argument that individuals and communities have distinct heritage and existence value- further fuel for anti-immigrant and populist anger. But science is rock solid and anger justified.

        3 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
      3. Carl Seghers‏ @charlesgres Mar 24
        Replying to @junzistoic @sapinker

        are you arguing that genetic differences justify discrimination?

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      4. sixiang‏ @junzistoic Mar 24
        Replying to @charlesgres @sapinker

        We can’t categorise based on group identity, only predict. With the technology and data collection we have it is possible to treat all people as individuals. However my point was about mass migration of people from unrelated ethnocultural group, which is highly questionable.

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      2. Adrian Lopez‏ @PaladinZilch Mar 23
        Replying to @sapinker

        Race is a discrete interpretation of a fuzzy phenomenon. It can be useful in some contexts, but in the end it's a lossy representation.

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Adrian Lopez‏ @PaladinZilch Mar 23
        Replying to @PaladinZilch @sapinker

        Is a mulatto woman black, or is she white? Lots of people would call her black, especially if she has dark skin, but almost none would call her white. That's "race."

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      4. Neillios‏ @Neillios01 Mar 23
        Replying to @PaladinZilch @sapinker

        Thank you. I had this exact argument concerning Obama a week ago. No one calls him white, yet genetically he is as "white" as he is "black"

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      1. BLACK CONSERVATIVE‏ @blackrepublican Mar 25
        Replying to @sapinker

        BLACK CONSERVATIVE Retweeted  🎃Anthony Scary-mucci 🎃

        “The truth does not lie in some magical midway between Montagu/Lewontin and Wade or more hardline racists. It lies in an explication of how social constructs and biological variation relate to each other.” — Kevin Bird (@itsbirdemic)https://twitter.com/itsbirdemic/status/977199448169250816?s=21 …

        BLACK CONSERVATIVE added,

         🎃Anthony Scary-mucci 🎃 @itsbirdemic
        I see the @nytimes is giving more coverage to an improper representation of race as biological, with yet another take from a biologist unable to turn a critical eye to our scientific constructs and their relation to reality. 1/
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