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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Mar 17

    A Billionaire and a Nurse Shouldn’t Pay the Same Fine for Speedinghttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/opinion/flat-fines-wealthy-poor.html …

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      2. Wim De Troyer‏ @wimdetroyer Mar 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        Lessons can be learned from Finlandhttps://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/finland-home-of-the-103000-speeding-ticket/387484/ …

        2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
      3. Mark Bolstridge‏ @mark_bolstridge Mar 17
        Replying to @wimdetroyer @sapinker

        This is how we rescue our downtrodden cash-strapped NHS. The london elite & super-rich need to proportionally contribute to the national coffers

        0 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
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      2. Eric Green‏ @verdant Mar 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        This is ridiculous. Why is everything measured on wealth by the left. Why not adjust jail terms by average remaining years left in the criminal’s lifetime?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Ben Catterall‏ @TheBenCatterall Mar 17
        Replying to @verdant @sapinker

        It's talking about fines. Literally measured by wealth. Why do you measure everything by which side of politics you think it lies on?

        0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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      2. Thomas Vachuska‏ @TomiKazi Mar 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        I remain unconvinced about the fairness or sustainability of such a scheme. Furthermore, fines should never be considered part of the revenue stream in order not to create artificial and mis-aligned incentives.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Ben Catterall‏ @TheBenCatterall Mar 17
        Replying to @TomiKazi @sapinker

        The article clearly argues from a deterrent point of view. If you're against fines, well..fine. but if we have fines, they should actually be deterrents to everyone, not just the poor.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Thomas Vachuska‏ @TomiKazi Mar 17
        Replying to @TheBenCatterall @sapinker

        The more complex the game, the more it tends to benefit those who can expend the energy & resources to tackle its rules; see US tax code. Also, unintended consequences of new ways to shirk the blame and to exploit loopholes are sure to emerge; ask a Finlander.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Jason Carlamere, MSE‏ @jcarlamere Mar 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        Come on. A highly educated man like yourself can’t possibly agree with this.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Eisbör‏ @Eisboer Mar 17
        Replying to @jcarlamere @sapinker

        What's your counter argument?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Ridiculed Ranga‏ @RidiculedRanga Mar 17
        Replying to @Eisboer @jcarlamere @sapinker

        Young people should spend more time in jail than old people for the same crime. After all, they have more of it. That's the logic being used in the speeding ticket scenario.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Eisbör‏ @Eisboer Mar 17
        Replying to @RidiculedRanga @jcarlamere @sapinker

        There is no way to gain lifetime, I don't think the comparison helps. Can you elaborate your point?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Ridiculed Ranga‏ @RidiculedRanga Mar 17
        Replying to @Eisboer @jcarlamere @sapinker

        Legal punishments must be objective in order to be fair. To make punishment subjective (how wealthy are you/how old are you) makes some disproportionately affected for equally sever crimes, and thus is unfair. Plus, the ticket scenario incentives police to punish wealthy ppl.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Eisbör‏ @Eisboer Mar 17
        Replying to @RidiculedRanga @jcarlamere @sapinker

        What do you want the outcome from fines to be?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Jason Carlamere, MSE‏ @jcarlamere Mar 17
        Replying to @Eisboer @RidiculedRanga @sapinker

        Exactly ridiculed. If this was allowed then where would it stop.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. SJW-English Dictionary‏ @Zemoeki1 Mar 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        Congratulations, you have invented socialism.

        2 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
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      1. Ben Kizemchuk‏ @BenKizemchuk Mar 17
        Replying to @sapinker

        We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.

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      1. AdeptArcher‏ @BoraxCross Mar 17
        Replying to @cirras_bane @sapinker

        This is all part of the social justice effort to stop enforcing laws. Kids are no longer suspended from school for terrorizing others. Not arrested because it the districts are hassled. Police called racist if they enforce the law. You want chaos.

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