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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Feb 25

    Will human progress be extended to animals? The Co-Founder of the Sentience Institute is cautiously hopeful. https://qz.com/1209936  via @qz

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      2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @sentientist @qz

        Clean meat will be the biggest moral advance since the abolition of slavery. It cuts through the Gordian knot of how an omnivorous species can eat the products of any species without imposing suffering on that species.

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      2. Diana S. Fleischman‏ @sentientist Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        Check out @jacyreese @SentienceInst

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      3. Jacy Reese‏Verified account @jacyreese Feb 25
        Replying to @sentientist @sapinker and

        Check out @sentientist too.

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      1. Jacy Reese‏Verified account @jacyreese Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        Thanks for sharing! While the sheer scale of factory farming is tragic (over 100 billion animals at any given time), tech and human values give us reason for hope. I heard this also come up in @EzraKlein's recent podcast w/ you. Glad it's on your mind. https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast …

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      2. oscarpyda‏ @oscarpyda Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        We should end animal agriculture and animal exploitation at large for the victim’s sake, doing it for our own would impede moral progress almost as much as if no changes were made. Go vegan!

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      3.  🕊 💗 Sarah Murray  🕊 💗‏ @shmurrz Feb 25
        Replying to @oscarpyda @sapinker @qz

        Amen!!!!

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      2. Christopher Wheeler‏ @Woolgatherist Feb 26
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        @ludwig_raal

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      3. Ludwig‏ @ludwig_raal Feb 26
        Replying to @Woolgatherist @sapinker @qz

        I've read the piece and agree with all of it. It kind of feels like a 2nd chapter to what I wrote. Clean meat is clearly the product of better values combined with neoliberalism, which is why I made a point of not wanting to abandon the latter.

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      4. Ludwig‏ @ludwig_raal Feb 26
        Replying to @ludwig_raal @Woolgatherist and

        It's also why I said that I'm still optimistic about the future. I toyed with the idea of including something about clean meat in my piece. But ultimately it would've made my essay too long, and I don't think I needed to bring it up to make my point: let's adjust our values.

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      5. Ludwig‏ @ludwig_raal Feb 26
        Replying to @ludwig_raal @Woolgatherist and

        I've also noticed a bit of a worrying trend. Because clean meat is the solution, some people have created a false dichotomy between vegetarianism and clean meat; it isn't of course. We still need to reduce a lot of suffering before in the interim.

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      2. Brett Banks‏ @Banksy1973 Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        It will be tough. I'm very empathetic and feel guilty when i eat meat knowing how they treat these animals. However, our (my) love/addiction to meat will make this tough. A key solution is if science can successfully replicate animal flesh in a petri dish...chewiness and all.

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      3. Syntesi‏ @SyntesiNL Feb 25
        Replying to @Banksy1973

        You are only weak. I don’t eat meat just because this reason.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Brett Banks‏ @Banksy1973 Feb 25
        Replying to @SyntesiNL

        Its not weak...its just many years of evolution where eating meat was necessary to live. Its not necessary anymore but there are still years of evolutionary hard wiring there that makes it difficult...I'm not the only "weak" one out there

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      5. Ronald L. Willson‏ @RonaldLWillson Feb 25
        Replying to @Banksy1973 @SyntesiNL

        Banksy, you're already there. Strong men protect the innocent. I'm a fake meat and potatoes guy and I don't miss a thing. Get some gardein and transition easily! Watch some @MercyForAnimals videos and see just how cruel these innocents are treated.

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      1. Nicole 🌺‏ @chikiniki7 Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @jacyreese @qz

        Thank u for this!

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      1. Ronald L. Willson‏ @RonaldLWillson Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        Speciesism is barbaric and cruel. Pigs and lambs and chickens feel pain. Stop hurting them. Great article.

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      1. Sighsyphus‏ @Sighsyphus Feb 26
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        I've never understood that I need to somehow feel guilty about eating animals merely because they have "sentience". To me, what underlies this assertion is a forced attempt to make morality scientific in utilitarian terms. That premise should not be taken as a given, however.

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      1. Charlotte‏ @theriault139 Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        👏

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      1. Patrice Ayme‏ @Tyranosopher Feb 25
        Replying to @sapinker @qz

        Evolutionary speaking, we eat meat, therefore we think. That causes a bit of an underlying difficulty, as a cruel reality gets in the way of generalized cuddliness. And it gets even uglier, when one understands that the fundamental reason for exterminationism is ecological...

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