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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Jan 29

    A radical idea: Economist Bryan Caplan says higher ed is a waste of time & money. I don't agree, but U's should think more about what we provide in exchange for $250K. (Includes a mention of my lectures.) https://www.chronicle.com/article/Just-to-Get-a-Diploma-/242348/#.Wm9JX9_BjuY.twitter … via @chronicle

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      1. Bryan Caplan‏ @bryan_caplan Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @ATabarrok @chronicle

        You don't agree that *actually existing* higher ed is a waste of time & money, or don't agree that *well-functioning* higher ed is a waste of time & money?

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      1. John Perschino‏ @JPerschino Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        The self taught man seldom knows anything accurately, and he does not know a tenth as much as he could have known if he had worked under teachers & besides, he brags, and is the means of fooling other thoughtless people into going and doing as he himself has done-Mark Twain

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      2. ctmorey‏ @ctmorey Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        For 250k it seems the customer wants athletic centers, swimming pools, and safe spaces ;) That’s why they get them.

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      3. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly Jan 29
        Replying to @ctmorey @sapinker @chronicle

        The customer doesn't want those things. No one is thinking "I would go to Harvard if they had a bigger athletic center".

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      4. UX.pragmatist‏ @ClayNichols Jan 29
        Replying to @Mel_Ankoly @ctmorey and

        Unfortunately, universities (and maybe many people ) tend to see the College Brand as their sports teams. It's the path to getting $$ from alumni. They don't come back in drove to celebrate Graduation day. They come back for football games (here @ Virginia Tech). Sad but true.

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      2. P. D. Mangan  🇺🇸‏ @Mangan150 Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        Primary and secondary education isn't so great either.

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      3. szspagna‏ @szspagna Jan 29
        Replying to @Mangan150 @sapinker @chronicle

        Difference being you don’t come out of it with $45k+ in debt. Bachelor’s degrees outside engineering or computer science are a scam. Chemists and biologists with a bachelor’s make same if barely more than a lowly store manager for an investment of 4 years off the workforce+debt

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      4. P. D. Mangan  🇺🇸‏ @Mangan150 Jan 29
        Replying to @szspagna @sapinker @chronicle

        True, but society pays greatly for primary and secondary education.

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      2. Jason Manning‏ @SocialGeometer Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        Teach at a less elite university and you might have a more cynical view.

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      3. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly Jan 29
        Replying to @SocialGeometer @sapinker @chronicle

        You supposedly teach at a university...are you calling your classes worthless?

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      4. Jason Manning‏ @SocialGeometer Jan 29
        Replying to @Mel_Ankoly @sapinker @chronicle

        No, Number Six. I'm saying that the Ivies, which get the top of the ability distribution and train a large proportion of future leaders, have more students who are likely to benefit from a liberal arts education.

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      2. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        A college education needn't cost $250k - tuition for community college for two years is less than $8,000 and two years of in-state tuition is $20,000.

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      3. szspagna‏ @szspagna Jan 29
        Replying to @Mel_Ankoly @sapinker @chronicle

        Plus the opportunity cost of 4 years off the workforce. Only bachelor with a worthwhile return for that is engineering or computer science. Other sciences like chemistry or biology make shit pay, average of 37k a year it’s pitiful.

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      4. Powerful Mel Ankoly  🦈‏ @Mel_Ankoly Jan 29
        Replying to @szspagna @sapinker @chronicle

        4 years off from working full-time at a dead end job. Go way, Russian troll.

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      2. Curt Doolittle‏ @curtdoolittle Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        Hard to argue with the data that higher ed sorts, and nothing of it is retained, and outside of STEM has done little more than replace the church's theological dogma of frozen capital with a pseudoscientific dogma of the opposite. I mean you were on the bow wave of demarcation...

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      3. Curt Doolittle‏ @curtdoolittle Jan 29
        Replying to @curtdoolittle @sapinker @chronicle

        .. but the momentum increases. The bifurcation in the polity is in no small part due to the distribution of pseudoscience and pseudo rationalism.

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      2. Jeff Brooks‏ @JeBroo5 Jan 29
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        But a college degree is needed to get a good job right? Er... wait...pic.twitter.com/q29GYL54M3

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      1. Elite English and Philosophy‏ @EliteEngPhi Jan 30
        Replying to @sapinker @chronicle

        Capitalist econocaste tell everyone else this, but send their own kids to Ivy League schools. This assertion of anti-scholarship is intended for the economic underclass only. In the Middle Ages only Nobles/Preists were taught to read & write. Tertiary education should be free.

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