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Cognitive scientist at Harvard.

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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Jan 7

    An idea whose time has come: Replace part of the state sales tax with carbon pricing. MA TAX SWAP 2018 - Home https://goo.gl/zLFWAv 

    8:51 AM - 7 Jan 2018
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      2. Jessica Langerman‏ @JessLangerman Jan 9
        Replying to @ObjectivistDoge @sapinker

        Just curious how we'd pay for roads, teachers, etc?

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      4. Jessica Langerman‏ @JessLangerman Jan 11
        Replying to @ObjectivistDoge @sapinker

        We would pay for teachers and roads with our own money? I don’t have much money, and others have a great deal. What if others don’t pay? What if we don’t agree?

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      6. Jessica Langerman‏ @JessLangerman Jan 12
        Replying to @ObjectivistDoge @sapinker

        You reveal everything about your character with this tweet. I’ll end our conversation now.

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      1. Ezra S Abrams‏ @Ezra_Abrams Jan 8
        Replying to @sapinker

        I find this website beyond irritating a carbon tax will create jobs how exactly will this work ? etc

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      1. Marc‏ @Roguegoyim Jan 8
        Replying to @sapinker

        No

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      1. Dave Koehler‏ @davekoe Jan 7
        Replying to @sapinker

        Could be a disincentive for the legislature with respect to clean energy since that would decrease revenues from the carbon price.

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      2. Aurelian of Rome‏ @AurelianofRome Jan 7
        Replying to @sapinker

        Raising the cost of energy has the effect of raising the costs of everything else. Environment scientists and activists will never find popular support for their policies until they find a way to enact protectionist policies without further impoverishing the poor.

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      3. Ryan LaPointe‏ @Ponder_Yonder Jan 7
        Replying to @AurelianofRome @sapinker

        Firstly, carbon tax only increases the costs of some energy. Carbon taxes in Canada are revenue neutral, so they lead to tax cuts for other things. This allows a free market to deal with the environmental impact by incorporating the hidden costs of fossil fuels.

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      4. Aurelian of Rome‏ @AurelianofRome Jan 7
        Replying to @Ponder_Yonder @sapinker

        Anything which increases the overhead and operating costs for any business ultimately is passed off to the consumer in the form of higher prices. If you affect the profits of companies, then consumers pay for that in the form of an indirect tax.

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      5. Ryan LaPointe‏ @Ponder_Yonder Jan 7
        Replying to @AurelianofRome @sapinker

        Right, but it ought to cost more, because hidden costs (climate change) cost consumers, indirectly, not outright when they buy the good (we spend more on insurance, disturbance prevention, etc). It can be cost neutral, if the tax comes with tax breaks or subsidies elsewhere.

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      6. Aurelian of Rome‏ @AurelianofRome Jan 7
        Replying to @Ponder_Yonder @sapinker

        "....but it ought to cost more...." Take that phrase and try to sell it to hurting working class people who have to decide between buying dinner for the next week or getting their children new shoes to replace the ones with holes in them.

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      7. Aurelian of Rome‏ @AurelianofRome Jan 7
        Replying to @AurelianofRome @Ponder_Yonder @sapinker

        They quickly learn to equate any argument for environmentalism with higher prices and then resist any attempt to even listen to you. It also makes them prey to people who would sell them on fake science.

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      8. Aurelian of Rome‏ @AurelianofRome Jan 7
        Replying to @AurelianofRome @Ponder_Yonder @sapinker

        As for tax breaks and tax subsidies, all you've done is take money from taxpayers and then tried to give their own money back to them with caveats and fanfare. Govt: "Know that money we stole from your paycheck at gunpoint? We'll give it back to you if you do what we say!"

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      9. Aurelian of Rome‏ @AurelianofRome Jan 7
        Replying to @AurelianofRome @Ponder_Yonder @sapinker

        It's never cost neutral. Ever. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

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      2. Clint Johnson‏ @jcrjohnson Jan 7
        Replying to @sapinker

        If they can’t steal the money one way, the want another way into the pockets? Sounds like politicians. And they’re seriously saying that needing 10s of thousands more to do a job already being done is “good for the economy”? That’s the diametric opposite of good for the economy.

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      3. Jessica Langerman‏ @JessLangerman Jan 9
        Replying to @jcrjohnson @sapinker

        I think you might be quite stunned by the results of the REMI studies, one of which can be found here: http://www.remi.com/topics-and-studies/modeling-the-economic-demographic-and-climate-impact-of-a-carbon-tax-in-massachusetts/ …

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      4. Clint Johnson‏ @jcrjohnson Jan 9
        Replying to @JessLangerman @sapinker

        Not stunned in the least that a committee desperate to find results that supported their deeply held beliefs managed to pay someone to find such results. I would be just as unstunned to discover that Koch Industries has funded research to find the exact opposite.

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