“I was spanked as a kid and I grew up fine” Clearly not because you think it’s ok to hit kids.
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Bigger problem is parents lack of emotional health. ANY discipline out of anger/frustration will cause negative result - physical or not.
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These studies never seem to look at the parent and how their approach affects outcome, even though that is such a huge key!
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"Most children under 7 can neither master their emotions nor reason like adults". Ever been to a faculty meeting?
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No genetic controls != well controlled. 38 poorly measured variables are not enough controls to claim causality. Consider this FB social media experiment which requires *3700* controls for propensity scoring to recover the true causal estimate: https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.04692
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This is a study of peer effect? ... Not sure why your reference calls into account controls?
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Read the paper, or at least the abstract. It's pretty obvious why it's such a nice example of why 38 variables isn't remotely enough to ensure accurate causal estimates from correlations for even simple behavior.
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I'm not familiar with behavioral studies, which I'm sure are complex... But do you mean that because there are 3700 different prior behaviors accounted for in this study there need to be more for Pinker's reference?
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I'm saying that observed variables are poor controls to point where even highly privacy-invasive well-measured variables require exorbitant data for causal inference. If they really believed it, they'd use a family design which controls perfectly those variables by construction.
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Spanking worked wonders for me. I didn't get caught the next time.
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It was effective for my mother who raised 5 kids alone and we are all good and respectful people. She was not violent. She knew where to draw a line. Even though I never did something like that with my own kids. Guilt is a better weapon.
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All spanking taught me was that my parents would rather hit me than explain what I was doing was wrong.
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This is one area of research which should be better explained in news articles: I never see one which tells me what the control group was in the research!
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So I take it then that we can disregard this advice from the 1950s?https://twitter.com/historylvrsclub/status/917715600138436608 …
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Conservatives and Teabags love to hit kids.
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My issue is
#ComparedToWhat Educators and many parents now know lots of positive intervention strategies. Spanking may be much less effective than them, but better than no reaction or one that positively reinforces the bad behavior. Either way, sounds like its day has come. -
You’re very wrong about no reaction. No reaction to mildly inappropriate behavior is extremely effective. Are you a parent? What I’ve noticed is that the melt-downs are almost never about the incident in front of us but rather an accumulation of the day’s stress.
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Imagine being hit for feeling stressed or overwhelmed. That’s insanity.
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I dont disagree with that and innaction is an important tool in the toolkit People who spank their kids often use it as another tool, and hitting a kid for being grouchy would seem abusive to even them, I think
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I think this data might be skewed due to those who use spanking as a default I also wonder if good parents of decades past, who would have used spanking as one tool among many, have all migrated to new behavioral frames, leaving less effective parents as the ones who still spank
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My instinct is that less intelligent/low self-control people use spanking. They’re not necessarily bad people but they’re just misinformed and/or have low self-control.
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Plus, on top of all of that, it’s still socially acceptable (in the US).
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