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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker 14 Dec 2017

    Precocious African expressions of Enlightenment ideas are unsurprising: In Enlightenment Now I argue that the ideas are based on reason & universal human interests, so belong to no culture.https://goo.gl/JLVqPL 

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      2. Dan Young‏ @DanYoun09578352 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @EricDonderoR @sapinker

        Where on Earth did you get the idea that the average Africans’ IQ is 70?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Robert MW Stanford‏ @RobertMWStanfor 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @DanYoun09578352 @EricDonderoR @sapinker

        From questionable IQ studies that white nationalist/racist love to bring up

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Nicholas Kadar‏ @N_kadar 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        What a stupid argument.

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      3. Dan Young‏ @DanYoun09578352 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @N_kadar @sapinker

        Care to elaborate?

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      4. Nicholas Kadar‏ @N_kadar 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @DanYoun09578352 @sapinker

        Because the principle invented and championed by Western minds & culture has been universally adopted it can't be identified with Western culture? What's there to elaborate? It is a stupid, politically motivated, non-sequitur.

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      5. Dan Young‏ @DanYoun09578352 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @N_kadar @sapinker

        I agree that Enlightenment values originate in the West. I don’t think Pinker is saying what you think he is saying. The Enlightenment can be both founded in the West and go on to be universally adopted and no longer associated with just one culture.

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      2. Forfare Davis‏ @Pseudoplotinus 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        And yet ... "Moral communities are fragile things, hard to build and easy to destroy. When we think about very large communities such as nations, the challenge is extraordinary and the threat of moral entropy is intense." —@JonHaidt

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      3. Forfare Davis‏ @Pseudoplotinus 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Pseudoplotinus @sapinker @JonHaidt

        To elaborate further ... Why Secular Liberalism isn't Liberal, by Forfare Davis via @ubookman http://kirkcenter.org/index.php/book …

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      1. Don Bryant‏ @DonaldRBryant 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        A case can be made that the East did not express itself nor share in Enlightenment ideals but in a collective mysticism in which neither reason nor the autonomous individual flowered.

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      2. Kristian Leth‏Verified account @kristianleth 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        Haitian slaves fought (and defeated) the French (!) with the newly minted 'Declaration on the Rights...' in their pockets? 1804.

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      3.  🌲 🌲Schmeh Wiggly 🌲 🌲‏ @Schmeehh 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @kristianleth @sapinker

        That was a full on genocide.

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      4. Kristian Leth‏Verified account @kristianleth 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Schmeehh @sapinker

        ??

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      5.  🌲 🌲Schmeh Wiggly 🌲 🌲‏ @Schmeehh 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @kristianleth @sapinker

        In 1804, the leader of the revolution ordered the extermination of all French people on the island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Dessalines#Mass_killings …

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      6. Kristian Leth‏Verified account @kristianleth 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Schmeehh @sapinker

        Ah. Yes. That is after the revolution, yes. When Toussaint L'Ouverture was captured by the French on a false promise of negotiation. 3-5000 people were killed. Before that though, the French plantation owners are estimated to have killed hundreds of thousands of African slaves.

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      7. Kristian Leth‏Verified account @kristianleth 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @kristianleth @Schmeehh @sapinker

        The French colonization of Haiti was known to be the most brutal slavery system in the world. Mothers would kill their infants instead of letting them grow up in that system. The French imported more than a million slaves, whom they didn't expect to live that long.

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      8.  🌲 🌲Schmeh Wiggly 🌲 🌲‏ @Schmeehh 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @kristianleth @sapinker

        It was bad all around, yes. But just to clarify, you are making an argument in favor of genocide.

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      9. Kristian Leth‏Verified account @kristianleth 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Schmeehh @sapinker

        lol. how so?

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      2. Sebas Pardo Soler‏ @sebaspardosoler 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        We know the writes of Aristotle and the Classical Greek because Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) doesn't change to the latin, and continued studying Classics and translate them to the syriac, they had contact with paper in china with the silk road, what makes them cheaper...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Sebas Pardo Soler‏ @sebaspardosoler 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sebaspardosoler @sapinker

        and in the muslim culture, they doesnt burned books like in europe during the middle age for being pagans. They readed them and discused philosphy like Ibn Sina or Averroes and that wast against coran and they made the first catarats surgery...and so on

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      4. Sebas Pardo Soler‏ @sebaspardosoler 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sebaspardosoler @sapinker

        the point is, enlightment and modern sicence isnt start up in western europe from nowhere with Descartes and then Kant, there were a tecnique, philosofic, and social conditions to make it posible

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      5. Sebas Pardo Soler‏ @sebaspardosoler 14 Dec 2017
        Replying to @sebaspardosoler @sapinker

        But you cant say that i saw that ideas in other escenarios so dosent belong to no one and is universal thats an methodological error, social history doesnt work like that

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