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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker 11 Oct 2017

    Why expect all women to adopt male-determined goals? Hardly feminist or in women’s interests. Susan Pinker explains.https://ifstudies.org/blog/his-standards-or-hers-how-men-and-women-define-success …

    12:15 PM - 11 Oct 2017
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      2. Katie Patrick‏ @katiepatrick 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        The gender equality debate easily warps into the de-gendering of females and assimilating them to male norms.

        1 reply 1 retweet 16 likes
      3. Craig D. Mansfield, EI‏ @craigbob99 13 Oct 2017
        Replying to @katiepatrick @sapinker

        And usually parallels decrying all of said norms as somehow toxic without a hint of irony.

        0 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        @HPluckrose I was trying to make this point (poorly) a few weeks ago and generated a "pfft" from you...

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @premodernism @sapinker

        From me?! I have also argued that we shouldn't consider men's choices as the default for humans.pic.twitter.com/C23luCN8bz

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @premodernism

        I was just coming to show you this as an example of what we were talking abt earlier. Exemplary seeming to address whilst missing point.pic.twitter.com/FKboTsdIsi

        2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Jeez, that guy is frustrating. He acts like the intersectional theorists are impeccable academics while you're disingenuous.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @premodernism

        Peak apologism. Me:This is what is happening drawing on key ideas of X religion/ideology. Them: Defend relig/ideology using obscurantist woo

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It seems like these people are more concerned about what the original theorists thought rather than the real world results of the theories.

        3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. End of conversation
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      2. Kyle Harrison  🏳️‍🌈 🇬🇧 🕺‏ @KyleFitzgeraldH 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker @TomChivers

        Men should be able to do traditional feminine roles and actions and women masculine. Men should care, love and nature. Women rule & lead.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Kyle Harrison  🏳️‍🌈 🇬🇧 🕺‏ @KyleFitzgeraldH 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @KyleFitzgeraldH @sapinker @TomChivers

        Breaking out of traditional feminine and masculine behaviour for men and women, that's equality to me

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Filipe de Carvalho‏ @ForkheadboxP2 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @KyleFitzgeraldH @sapinker @TomChivers

        If there are no differences in our experiences as members of each gender then how can certain traits manifest universally?

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      5. LanceSmith‏ @LanceSmith1100 12 Oct 2017
        Replying to @ForkheadboxP2 @KyleFitzgeraldH and

        There is difference between "being allowed to" & "being required to". Absolutely there are gender traits but there is a continuum & overlap

        0 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      6. End of conversation
      1. To Art  🌏‏ @Artonomous 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        as a male I totally agree, the success goals of todays society are not in sync with the majority of the population, male or female

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      2. Penelope Endersby‏ @PennyEnd 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        Interesting and compelling but still important not to extrapolate from norms to assume specifics about individual men or women

        1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
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      2. Matthew Rix Whiting‏ @mattrixwhiting 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        It’s not only women but all of us non-alpha males that are under pressure to conform to alpha’s norms.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
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      2. Rajiv Moté‏ @RajivMote 11 Oct 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        Why expect all men to adopt "male-determined goals?" Seems less an argument for gender distinctions than for more options for all.

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