It is moronic to argue that pre-1960's America somehow exemplified civility and self-control.
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Except for those civil and controlled lynchings? What a stupid selective idea.
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Civility and self-control are "virtues" that led to civilization.
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And in a surprising twist that the white nationalist narrative seems to overlook, civilisation didn't begin with David Hume and Adam Smith.
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It appears that our ancient ancestors were more advanced than those two! Realized self-interest IS mutual interest. Bigly!
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What do you mean by 'advanced' here?
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Sorry, I misspoke. MS brain fog. Now it sounds like BS. I have no idea what I was trying 2 say. I'll take my meds & get back to you later.
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Not at all. And apologies if I appeared like I was about to drag this into a long, dark rant.

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I LOVE discourse! I DESPISE my sporadic cognitive glitches. A bit embarrassed. I DO know Hume & Smith. Have you read Daniel Kahneman?
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I've never understood how you can say culture exists, but deny it affects how people behave.
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You know that isn't the argument. Why are you misrepresenting it?
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[Wax] "argued for a set of behavioral norms that are available to all peoples" Perfect instance of the Blank Slate fallacy.
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So, since people are not blank slates, some of them cannot exercise civility and self control? This is your point?
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Precisely! Groups manifest innate differences in bourgeois values such as self-control, delayed gratification, and future orientation.
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And so it's wrong to encourage or expect someone to share "bourgeois" values? We can't expect folks in our civil society to be civil?
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All morality depends on delayed - or denied/restricted - gratification. That goes back to the Stoics and Epicureans, and beyond.
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Cultures vary through time. Berlin's culture was evil under Hitler but better recently. Thus, all cultures cannot be equal at any one time
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Seems a bit ironic given the timing this week of burning man do you think?
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Just so - civility and self-control are, regrettably, virtues exhibited only by a minority in any ethnic group, it seems.
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BUT the case in point is quite different focusing not on race, but on the US bourgeosie before the Swinging Sixties. Stolid virtue, but yes.
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