I agree philosophy is interesting, but so is Lord of the Rings. The central question is whether this is way to objective truth. Is it?
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And "objective truth" is...? (Mind you, whatever you answer will be a a philosophical claim.)
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I have to say, this "no matter what you say, you're using philosophy, therefore I win" tactic is annoying, and part of the problem.
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The fact that you think it's a tactic, not a serious problem rigorously pondered for millenia, explains your sympathy for Nye's prattle.
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Yeah, because insisting that what looks like turf defense is really a "serious problem pondered for millenia" ALSO looks like turf defense.
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Mat, just read the article linked by Pinker.
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I'm aware philosophy has value. I'm a fan. Like Nye does now, I find epistemology particularly interesting. I studied it in college.
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@BillNye did change his mind in the end... if only other anti-philosophy scientists were willing to reconsiderhttps://qz.com/960303/bill-nye-on-philosophy-the-science-guy-says-he-has-changed-his-mind/ …Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Most scientists don't have a problem with philosophy, but with "Philosophy". The philosophy they use every day handles, say, epistemology.
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The "Philosophy" that they disdain is navel-gazing anti-empirical nonsense that defies even the possibility of an answer.
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Problem is, "Philosophy" gets a lot more press than philosophy. Michael Strevens is nowhere near as famous as David Chalmers.
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Exactly. Many phils see Dennett as hand-waving while Chalmers is being constructive, when in fact Dennett is being consilient and coherent.
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It's mainly the fault of the sort of people who've gone into philosophy ever since it became a profession. Field devalued from inside.
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There's been some amazing ideas in philosophy, but also a lot of really dumb ones.
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I think the problem scientists have with philosophy as it is practised is that the dumb ideas never really seem to go away.
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Philosophy's main problem is that all the interesting topics branched off and started their own disciplines. It's left with autist babble.
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There is still an interesting and fundamental philosophical battle within science. Realists vs anti-realists, with the anti-realists ahead.
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On that question, I side firmly with the "shut up and calculate" crowd. Questions that can't ever be answered don't matter.
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Religious proclamations like that don't seem to sit easily with the method or the spirit of science. Arbitrary barrier to what can be known.
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That statement looks topsy turvy. Delimiting the knowable and unknowable is the first step of science. It's the opposite of arbitrary.
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