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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker 18 Apr 2017

    Reducetarianism: 2 → 1 burgers saves as many cows as 1 → 0:https://www.amazon.com/dp/0143129716/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_x_-5T9ybXHXF2VC …

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      2. Ryan G.‏ @WeakEmergence 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        I tried to convey this to a vegan on a @rickygervais thread. She was an absolutist and would accept total reduction or nothing.

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      3. Jonathan Hoggatt‏ @jghoggatt 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @WeakEmergence @sapinker @rickygervais

        Luckily the philosophy and math behind reducing meat intake still works whether others accept it or not.

        0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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      2. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @sapinker @dbcmckee

        I like the idea, but not the "saves cows" framing. Reducing meat consumption prevents future animals from existing, doesn't "save" any.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Darren Mckee‏ @dbcmckee 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @scottleibrand

        of course, but saving a currently existing animal makes little sense

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      4. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @dbcmckee

        IMO a well-treated cow, slaughtered humanely, has a life worth living. I think the focus should be on ensuring all farm animals' lives are.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @scottleibrand @dbcmckee

        Simply eliminating future cows that would've grazed contentedly in cow heaven until being humanely slaughtered doesn't solve anything.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Darren Mckee‏ @dbcmckee 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @scottleibrand

        well, reducing demand would reduce suffering. Additionally, we can work to improve conditions but that might be harder

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      7. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @dbcmckee

        Yes, until conditions improve, reducing meat demand is good. It seems that efforts to improve conditions have been more successful though.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Avi Norowitz‏ @AviN102 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @scottleibrand @dbcmckee

        Beef cattle arguably have net positive welfare but constitute a tiny percent of farm animal days. Saves beef cows not the best illustration.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      9. Avi Norowitz‏ @AviN102 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @AviN102 @scottleibrand @dbcmckee

        Chicken would be a better illustration. They're being saved from suffering by being never born.

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      2. pierre au contraire‏ @arataic 18 Apr 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        I'm really drawn to this idea and am trying to put it into practice. I was a pescetarian for a several years, but gave it up a while back

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      3. pierre au contraire‏ @arataic 18 Apr 2017
        Replying to @arataic @sapinker

        I want to get the moral and personal benefits of full-on veganism, but this is more practical and easier to hang with.

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      1. Corey B‏ @cgburt 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        There's no benefit or 'need' to eat cows. Eat 0 cows and you save all the cows, the environment and your health. Simple🌱

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      2. Sambodhi Prem‏ @SambodhiPrem 18 Apr 2017
        Replying to @sapinker

        Hi @WestonAPrice What do you think of the 10% less meat movement?

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      3. NYFarmer‏ @NYFarmer 5 May 2017
        Replying to @SambodhiPrem

        I would like to know if @sapinker has target numbers of farmers, ranchers to be driven from the land? @WestonAPrice

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      4. Sambodhi Prem‏ @SambodhiPrem 5 May 2017
        Replying to @NYFarmer @sapinker @WestonAPrice

        I doubt it… Hi @Reducetarian, You say?

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      5. NYFarmer‏ @NYFarmer 5 May 2017
        Replying to @SambodhiPrem @sapinker @Reducetarian

        urban thinkers don't generally consider impacts on rural worthy of consideration

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      1. Adeel Khan MD MPH‏ @AdeelSays 19 Apr 2017
        Replying to @sapinker @amazonbooks

        @neeekta this is us!

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