@sapinker @Wikisteff The thing is: we *don't know* that it helps everyone and hurts no one. That's why it's being studied.
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@sapinker@Wikisteff and if it's a study, the participants have a right to know and consent. Why do you see that as a problem? -
@MarkCC@sapinker@Wikisteff but the "traditional" hospital admin/process wasn't subject to this - we just did it. -
@crashfrog@sapinker@wikisteff Maybe it's better than the standard of care. Maybe it's worse. We don't know. So you have to ask permission. - 1 more reply
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@sapinker@Wikisteff Sounded to me like bioethicists were objecting to lack of consent, not the care experiments themselves. -
@sapinker@Wikisteff The "hurts no one" bit is questionable: "[no consent] even if there might be consequences for patient care." -
@SaintGimp@sapinker I totally agree, Eric. Thanks! :) -
@Wikisteff@sapinker It's challenging, though, because innovation requires experimentation but no one wants to volunteer to be the subject.
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@sapinker make unsupported claim that method "helps everyone, hurts no one" & wonders why we need bioethicistshttps://twitter.com/sapinker/status/681141517981978624 …Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@sapinker thinks he can just look at a study & determine if it helps or hurts people https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/681141517981978624 …#ArroganceThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@sapinker The bioethicist quoted in this story poses a few questions about why & how data will be collected. That's opposing innovation? -
@benjaminjriley that's my impression too. Maybe@sapinker interpreted "it's clearly a grey area" more negatively than you or I did. -
@benjaminjriley@sapinker whoops, quote should have been "it's clearly a blurry space"
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@sapinker imagine how slow tech/econ progress, if required to go thru IRB process each time tweaked code to improve customer experience. - 1 more reply
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