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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker 3 Feb 2013

    Noble savage myth strikes again-Jared Diamond has data on his side; Surv Int confuses human rights with factual claimshttp://bit.ly/11ia9LP 

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      2. Survival International‏Verified account @Survival 4 Feb 2013
        Replying to @sapinker

        .@sapinker Brutal savage myth strikes again. ‘Facts’ massaged to ‘prove’ how wonderfully peaceful modern states are. Politics, not science.

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      2. ClaudioDeSat‏ @ClaudioDeSat 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @sapinker

        @sapinker It's probably the first time he's right about something. GG&S was a mountain of rubbish.

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      3. Chas Stewart‏ @BirdTerrifier 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @ClaudioDeSat

        @skepteaser that is laughable. @sapinker

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      4. ClaudioDeSat‏ @ClaudioDeSat 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @BirdTerrifier

        @BirdTerrifier @sapinker Laughable for him to present an overarching narrative, poorly evidenced, seeking to overwrite entire fields.

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      5. Chas Stewart‏ @BirdTerrifier 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @ClaudioDeSat

        @skepteaser us I remember my anthropology profs being sore about it but it was anything but poorly evidenced. @sapinker

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      6. ClaudioDeSat‏ @ClaudioDeSat 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @BirdTerrifier

        @BirdTerrifier @sapinker Sorry, I disagree. Such ambitious goals require far more. Also, much of the evidence outdated or plain wrong.

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      7. Chas Stewart‏ @BirdTerrifier 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @ClaudioDeSat

        @skepteaser sorry I was so rude. I'd seriously like to know what evidence was correct. Most of it jived with what I knew from archaeology.

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      8. ClaudioDeSat‏ @ClaudioDeSat 3 Feb 2013
        Replying to @BirdTerrifier

        @BirdTerrifier I didn't perceive it as rude at all, no worries. You may want to read Blaut's seminal essay. http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/Blaut/diamond.htm …

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      1. Karen Badcock‏ @karenbadcock 8 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker @Survival and let's not forget, even some of the best scientists & researchers manipulate their data to show what they want it to

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      1. Karen Badcock‏ @karenbadcock 8 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker ...good science applies it all, not just the stats. it's what makes it more reliable & factual. It all has to have context in it

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      1. Karen Badcock‏ @karenbadcock 8 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker what you have forgotten is that science is not SOLELY to do with stats - there are situational&contextual factors also...

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      1. Rezwan Razani‏ @RezwanRazani 8 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker Debate will evaporate due to anachronisms. Today, you CAN have wired hunter-gatherers. Perhaps reducing violence. Leapfrog.

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      1. Alberto Cairo‏Verified account @albertocairo 5 Feb 2013
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        MT @sapinker Noble savage myth-Jared Diamond has data on his side; Surv. Int confuses human rights with factual claimshttp://bit.ly/11ia9LP 

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      1. Samuel Waumsley‏ @sapienself 5 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker If anyone's warfaring it's the west, there's lots of data. >Jared Diamond should look closer to home before casting aspersions...

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      1. Karl David Baxter‏ @KarlDavidBaxter 4 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker I bet actual tribal societies would have a good laugh at the stupid arguments the rest of us have.

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      1. Phil Chapman‏ @PhilGChapman 4 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker & why r deaths in Hiroshima calculated as percentage of all people called 'Japanese'. Claim it's 'data v human rights' is nonsense

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      1. Phil Chapman‏ @PhilGChapman 4 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker Some of his data is very similar to yours - and long discredited. Big red flag if you're still favourably citing Chagnon!

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      1. Henning Koch‏ @henningkoch 4 Feb 2013
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        @sapinker Those who say indigenous society is a failure conveniently ignore their own failings. We have not scaled up either & we fight.

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