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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Oct 15

    To combat fake news, we need the on-line equivalent of reputation for veracity: Who’s trustworthy, who’s a liar or flake. An epistemologist explains.https://nyti.ms/2QPaqRI 

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      2. Beat Confusion‏ @BeatConfusion Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        A model is provided by Quora and StackOverflow, which despite being forms of social media, generate consistently high quality results. Wikipedia provides a deliberative model. The secret is gathering quality assessments from users, not just affinity & engagement.

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      3. Beat Confusion‏ @BeatConfusion Oct 15
        Replying to @BeatConfusion @sapinker

        StackOverflow specifically goes further, in the direction the author is proposing (and well beyond). It calculates and makes public a "reputation" score, which is based on a quantity-weighted score for high quality (highly ranked) contributions.

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      1. nosajimiki‏ @nosajimiki Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        1 While not a bad idea in concept, reputation systems themselves have risks of manipulation. For example, if your reputation is % based, then an account designed to distribute fake material could use a bot to find and share enough reputable stuff to hide the hits for fake news,

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      1. nosajimiki‏ @nosajimiki Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        2 but if you use discrete reputation markers, then less active facebook users would be automatically more reputable because of less opportunity to share fake news. You'd also see a lot more interested parties investing in manipulating how the legitimacy of news is determined.

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      1. GaiusJ‏ @gaiusjx Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        or an independent and objective news media thats not a mouthpiece of the democrat party.

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      2. brent strickland‏ @stricklandbrent Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        I tend to agree, but my hunch is that Fact Checkers don't have much public trust (or at least this trust is highly partisan). For these types of proposals to gain traction, I'd guess you need bi-partisan fact checking panels that really serve as epistemic authority figures.

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      3. Valence Smith‏ @smith_valence Oct 15
        Replying to @stricklandbrent @sapinker

        It’s hard to what to do with ideological bias, which seems to a huge player in what many describe now as “fake news”. There is also the more common problem of simply not telling the whole truth..

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      4. brent strickland‏ @stricklandbrent Oct 15
        Replying to @smith_valence @sapinker

        True. The basic point that improving the quality of information is a human problem and not one that machines can magically solve is one that I whole heartedly endorse though.

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      1. steve lance‏ @stevelance Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Sigh. Won't happen. Fake news thrives because there will a) always be people who want to believe it; and b) (now) there will always be ways to disseminate it. More accurately, NYTimes Op Ed - From "spin" to "lying."

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      1. Trevor Smith‏ @TrevorJSmith_ Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Why wouldn't such a site be subject to the same issues of bias that supposedly impartial outlets are always subject to? Even politifact leans left. It's a human problem that will unfortunately pervade any human-run institution. And it will only get worse as politics matters more.

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      2. Gordon $humwhey‏ @gordonshumwhey Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        People who use the term “fake news” and hold up shirts like in the above photo have no interest in what’s actually real or fake

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      3. Valence Smith‏ @smith_valence Oct 15
        Replying to @gordonshumwhey @sapinker

        Actually, they are more upset about ideological bias and half-truths than anything else. I see exactly what they are talking about in the NYT and WaPo, and I think it’s a function of a strong public rejection of what’s coming out of critical theory (aka neomarxism).

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      4. Valence Smith‏ @smith_valence Oct 15
        Replying to @smith_valence @gordonshumwhey @sapinker

        And before you laugh and claim this is a right wing conspiracy theory, study it like I did...so much makes perfect sense now that I understand critical theory. Basically it’s being exploited by bad actors, from my perspective. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/ …

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      1. Louis Boliou‏ @LCBoliou Oct 16
        Replying to @sapinker

        The only real “fix” for fake news is another few million years of human evolution, within a framework of objective natural/cultural selection.

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      1. Holtz‏ @Biorealism Oct 16
        Replying to @sapinker

        Censorship by @facebook and @Twitter certainly isn't the answer

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      1. James Mart‏ @_JamesMart Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Can we make a system like this which can't be gamed? Yes. All involved entities must be tied to real unique identities. $eos @EOS_io

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      1. Alfred MacDonald‏ @almaIV Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        not gonna work; the concept of trust applied to media is inherently unreliable. any metric you propose will be manipulated in bad faith.

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      1. David Zugman‏ @DJZ3 Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        You mean an unhackable, unimpeachable source?

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      1. Tony‏ @Hungry4Bytes Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Good luck. That’s like implementing Plato’s Republic into reality.

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