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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Oct 15

    Fatal police shootings more frequent in U.S. states with high household gun ownershiphttps://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/police-shootings-states-with-more-guns/ …

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      2. TheKreKreMan‏ @TheKreKreMan Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Coorelation does not equate to causation

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      3. Adolfo R.‏ @wirchoreal Oct 15
        Replying to @TheKreKreMan @sapinker

        You’re right, it doesn’t! But like most peer reviewed statistical research in established publications, this one uses well know methodology to conclude a strong likelihood of causation. It doesn’t just makes conclusions from an observed correlation :)

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      2. Debra Cole‏ @DebrainAustin Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        More criminals, more armed homeowners. Cops respond to one more than the other.

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      1. Mike!‏ @MikeHockings Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker @iamdavidmiller

        What are the ownership requirements in the high-gun states? I suspect that they lack proper licening and eduction before allowing purchase. Proper education makes a HUGE difference.

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      1. Sebastian Matejko‏ @basstoll Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        breaking news: accidents more frequent on roads used by cars.

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      2. Dr Able Lawrence‏ @abledoc Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Not surprising since Police would have to operate under fear of guns. This is what happens when the states monopoly over overwhelming force is compromised.

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      3. kir‏ @politicoid_us Oct 15
        Replying to @abledoc @sapinker

        Aww, those poor little police officers. How dare they be a little afraid, even though their job is to enforce the tyranny of government and happen to have an incredibly safe profession. Deaths per capita is quite low for police officers. Ever consider Mr. Dr. that there's a

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      4. kir‏ @politicoid_us Oct 15
        Replying to @politicoid_us @abledoc @sapinker

        confounding factor here? Perhaps those people in this area have more guns because THEY fear for their lives, and there's more police activity because there's more crime? Actually, there's a good point: those who will be hardest hit by more gun regs are those in impoverished areas

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      5. Christian Hachmann‏ @ChristianHachm Oct 15
        Replying to @politicoid_us @abledoc @sapinker

        "Hardest hit"? So you don't think that a lower frequency of gun ownership would decrease the risk of someone shooting in an uncertain situation? To me it seems quite plausible. Any idea how to set up a study to tell the proposed effects and causes apart?

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      6. kir‏ @politicoid_us Oct 15
        Replying to @ChristianHachm @abledoc @sapinker

        What I think is that there are other means of hurting people than guns and that you need to rely on science rather than emotional jerking off and a murderous police force to implement your statist wet dreams.

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      7. kir‏ @politicoid_us Oct 15
        Replying to @politicoid_us @ChristianHachm and

        Gun violence is a public health issue, same as measles or the flu, etc. We need to use the same kind of scientific approach to dealing with it.

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      8. Christian Hachmann‏ @ChristianHachm Oct 15
        Replying to @politicoid_us @abledoc @sapinker

        That would include investigating causes and effects, wouldn't it? So investigating how prevalence of gun ownership influences gun violence seems legit to me. Or what do you propose?

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      9. kir‏ @politicoid_us Oct 15
        Replying to @ChristianHachm @abledoc @sapinker

        Except that police death rate and death rate of the average person is not the same. Also, you made the very basic mistake of confusing correlation and causation. Oops.

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      1. Charles Trzcinka‏ @ctrzcinka Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        What a brilliant identification strategy. Look at correlations! What about instrumenting for gun ownership or looking at a diff-diff design after changes in regulation or..but its like this will show nothing. This is unpublishable in an economics journal.

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      1. Arun J‏ @arunkj78 Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        Surprise.

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      1. Frank Ch. Eigler‏ @fche Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        "the paper focuses on the states where fatal police shootings occur, not whether some, any, or all of the shootings were justifiable or preventable." That makes it rather less interesting TBH.

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      2. Jennifer Lahmayer‏ @raniergurl_04 Oct 15
        Replying to @sapinker

        “I’m sure Harvard did wonderfully unbiased research”. I wonder what the stats are for countries where commoners can’t have guns at all. Like Venezuela or Brazil or Mexico?

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      3. It's JJ, bitch!  🇫🇷 🇪🇺 🇭🇹 🇮🇱 🇲🇦‏ @CanWeChill44 Oct 16
        Replying to @raniergurl_04 @sapinker

        Everybody can own a gun in Brazil.

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      4. Jennifer Lahmayer‏ @raniergurl_04 Oct 16
        Replying to @CanWeChill44 @sapinker

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2018-03-09/brazil-s-strict-gun-laws-haven-t-stopped-its-killers …

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