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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Aug 28

    Just 1 example. Everyone "knows" that US educational achievement is sinking (eg. Trump inaugural: "an education system which leaves our young & beautiful students deprived of all knowledge.") Wrong: achievement has risen steadily since 1970s.https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-harmonized-learning-outcome-scores?country=USA …

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      2. grigori milov‏ @grigorimilov Aug 28
        Replying to @sapinker

        Sorry, but. The results of student achievements tests are not outcomes. They are outputs. The salaries of the students after they graduate and their satisfaction with the work they are doing are the outcomes.

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      3. David Owen‏ @davidowen_sd Aug 29
        Replying to @grigorimilov @sapinker

        Those aren't even SATs. SAT scores have declined. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/CaptureMurray2-e1442927840439.jpg …

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      1. R. David Mullin‏ @RD_Mullin Aug 28
        Replying to @sapinker @Noahpinion

        Not sinking but the gap is growing in achievement compared to East Asia countries, like Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan.

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      2. Wowzers Permanente‏ @Deals_Bilities Aug 28
        Replying to @sapinker

        52 percent of American adults are functional illiterates.

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      3. Aaron Vaughan‏ @aarvau Aug 28
        Replying to @Deals_Bilities @sapinker

        But who would educate the masses without public schools?

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      4. Wowzers Permanente‏ @Deals_Bilities Aug 28
        Replying to @aarvau @sapinker

        Not any number of completely free resources on every topic to be found on the internet, lol

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      5. Aaron Vaughan‏ @aarvau Aug 28
        Replying to @Deals_Bilities @sapinker

        For real though. What is the top score on the test? Where did you find that 52% stat?

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      6. Wowzers Permanente‏ @Deals_Bilities Aug 28
        Replying to @aarvau @sapinker

        “90 Million US Adults Called Barely Literate,” Boston Globe, September 9, 1993: “Nearly half of all adult Americans read and write so poorly that it is difficult for them to hold a decent job, according to Blumenfeld, Samuel; Newman, Alex (2015-04-14). Crimes of the Educators

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      7. Wowzers Permanente‏ @Deals_Bilities Aug 28
        Replying to @Deals_Bilities @aarvau @sapinker

        And there are succesively more recent articles talking about how the literacy hasn't changed in 10 years. It's not as though things have gotten better.

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      8. Aaron Vaughan‏ @aarvau Aug 28
        Replying to @Deals_Bilities @sapinker

        I’m with you, I just didn’t want to cite Wowzers Permanente on twitter when this ever comes up in real life.

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      9. Wowzers Permanente‏ @Deals_Bilities Aug 28
        Replying to @aarvau @sapinker

        Lol

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      2. Gil McCubbin‏ @Gil_M Aug 28
        Replying to @sapinker

        Because there's grade inflation? https://reports.collegeboard.org/archive/sat-suite-program-results/2016/class-of-2016-results …pic.twitter.com/lIVGBwXimj

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      3. Ushan of Blook‏ @BlookUshan Aug 29
        Replying to @Gil_M @sapinker

        Without the percentage of kids taking the SAT, the graph makes no sense.

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      4. Gil McCubbin‏ @Gil_M Aug 29
        Replying to @BlookUshan @sapinker

        About 3.5 million students graduate from high school each year in the USA. About 1.7 million students take the SAT each year... so ~48% of students take the SAT. I'm sure I'm missing something, and am hoping you can help me out: Why is this relevant?

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      5. Ushan of Blook‏ @BlookUshan Aug 29
        Replying to @Gil_M @sapinker

        If a smaller percentage of students took the SAT in 1998 than in 2016, then the decline of average scores doesn't mean the decline of the US educational achievement as measured across all students, not just those who took the SAT.

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      6. Ushan of Blook‏ @BlookUshan Aug 29
        Replying to @BlookUshan @Gil_M @sapinker

        Yes, only bout half as many kids took the SAT and the ACT in 1998 as in 2016: http://www.fairtest.org/sites/default/files/ACT-SAT-Annual-Test-Takers-Chart.pdf …

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      7. Ushan of Blook‏ @BlookUshan Aug 29
        Replying to @BlookUshan @Gil_M @sapinker

        In contrast, the US population increased only about 20% during this period. To be fair, one needs to look at the population of 17-year-olds only, but even with these crude numbers you can see my point.

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      8. Gil McCubbin‏ @Gil_M Aug 29
        Replying to @BlookUshan @sapinker

        At the same time: as 48% of students are now "straight A" students, you can see why more students would be taking the SATs as well. In 1998 2.8 Million students graduated high school. 65.6% of them went on to attend college... I can't find data on how many took the SAT.

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      9. Gil McCubbin‏ @Gil_M Aug 29
        Replying to @Gil_M @BlookUshan @sapinker

        Wait, you gave it to me... 1.1 Million SAT test takers. So 39% of students took the SAT.

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      1. Eduardo Alvarez‏ @EdAlvarezB Aug 28
        Replying to @sapinker

        Eduardo Alvarez Retweeted The Spectator Index

        5th according to @wef above all smaller and less diversehttps://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1033575958073102336?s=21 …

        Eduardo Alvarez added,

        The Spectator Index @spectatorindex
        Education quality, 2018. 1. Switzerland 2. Singapore 3. Finland 4. Netherlands 5. US 6. Qatar 7. Canada 8. New Zealand 9. UAE 10. Denmark 11. Iceland 12. Norway 13. Hong Kong 14. Belgium 15. Australia (World Economic Forum) Longer list: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm42kZVlMyH/ 
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