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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Aug 9

    Not all learning (especially of math) is fun, and concepts without automatic mastery of elementary steps is of limited use. Barbara Oakley aims her applied cog psych at parents of girls, but it applies to both sexes.https://nyti.ms/2OLVKCO 

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      1. Keith Devlin‏Verified account @profkeithdevlin Aug 9
        Replying to @sapinker

        And drill to achieve mastery without understanding is known to result in brittle learning. It requires both, and both can be delivered. @jamestanton's Exploding Dots is one example of many that can supply the understanding: http://devlinsangle.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-power-of-simple-representations.html …

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      2. James Swan‏ @Jim_Swan Aug 9
        Replying to @sapinker

        I'm surprised how little attention is paid to the fact that what we perceive as "fun" correlates strongly with what we are genuinely interested in. Practice is important to mastery. So, make math interesting. Then, practice and the path to mastery will be fun too.

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      3. Magnus Westerstrand‏ @MagWes Aug 9
        Replying to @Jim_Swan @sapinker

        Indeed the more learned the more fun it became... the endless drilling was often unnecessary and to simple which made it boring and not done.

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      2. Sunil Singh‏ @Mathgarden Aug 9
        Replying to @sapinker

        She aims her article right at the heart of privilege/status/etc. I am pretty sure single parents working multiple jobs over half a day would digest this article differently with Maslow...

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      3. SmileyMathProf‏ @PinemanorM Aug 9
        Replying to @Mathgarden @sapinker

        Single mom w three jobs here—I have to hope my two will be ok without the extra practice and the kumon, etc. Tho, because I’m in math ed, I can ask them thinking-based math questions—that’s privilege too

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      4. Sunil Singh‏ @Mathgarden Aug 9
        Replying to @PinemanorM @sapinker

        You must be doing an amazing job:) My bigger problem is the status of math/white-collar jobs. Why is art and music not valued as highly...

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      5. SmileyMathProf‏ @PinemanorM Aug 9
        Replying to @Mathgarden @sapinker

        I’m with you completely on that

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      2. Oliver Scott Curry‏ @Oliver_S_Curry Aug 9
        Replying to @sapinker

        What's the evidence for the claims in this piece? Can @barbaraoakley recommend a good peer-reviewed summary / review article?

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      3. Rob‏ @robsica Aug 9
        Replying to @Oliver_S_Curry @sapinker @barbaraoakley

        One thing to which she may be referring is this study (https://bit.ly/2G85v8O ), also mentioned by Geary & Stoet in their @QuilletteM piece (https://bit.ly/2Mv7nfP )?

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      4. Oliver Scott Curry‏ @Oliver_S_Curry Aug 9
        Replying to @robsica @sapinker and

        Yes, that study supports the 'comparative advantage' point, but what about the 'practice makes perfect' point?

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      1. Cookie Bewley‏ @CookieBewley Aug 9
        Replying to @sapinker

        As a female, math is easy. Why can't we be humans?

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      2. Mr. Robot‏ @Theophrastuss Aug 9
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        Why aim this to girls?

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      1. Paul Morgan‏ @PaulMorganPhD Aug 10
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        There is empirical support for the hypothesis that routine practice may help students learn math, but that teachers overly use more "fun" yet less effective instructional activities particularly for students at risk. @Oliver_S_Curry #STEM @IESResearch http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0162373714536608 …pic.twitter.com/WDkOmQlSXd

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      1. Steve Clarke‏ @clarke_vghs Aug 9
        Replying to @sapinker

        Can you supply some supporting evidence for the two claims in your first sentence? Ms. Oakley doesn't supply any in her article, but I assume you know of some since you endorse her approach.

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      1. VACUOUS CIPHER‏ @THE_DAILY_BLEAT Aug 9
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        This is one way to get rid of libruls. I'm all for it.

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      1. CoFreemasonUK‏ @CoFreemasonUK Aug 15
        Replying to @sapinker @Romeo_Rau

        We played many Math fun games, puzzles and problem solving games. Sadly school kills the live of math.

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      1. TFPxxTFPxx-, x‏ @alkorozim Aug 10
        Replying to @sapinker

        "Make your kids do their homework "? what a GENIUS idea! Thank God we have such brilliant people to give such advice. If only someone had thought of that 10,000 years ago. Oh wait . . . They did.. ;)

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