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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Jul 25

    Jordan Peterson should stop repeating the canards that morality must come from God and that 20th-Century tyrannies were atheistic. He needs to learn the concept "humanism." Fine analysis by Matt Johnson in @QuilletteM https://quillette.com/2018/07/23/the-peculiar-opacity-of-jordan-petersons-religious-views/ … via @QuilletteM

    7:28 AM - 25 Jul 2018
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      2. Alan Williamson‏ @alanwil337 Jul 25
        Replying to @sapinker @QuilletteM

        Which god? http://Godchecker.com  lists over 4,000 of them.

        10 replies 3 retweets 36 likes
      3. May Carlson‏ @MayCarlson Jul 25
        Replying to @alanwil337 @sapinker @QuilletteM

        pic.twitter.com/PVOqEiMXYs

        0 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
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      2. Dio Mavroyiannis  🌊‏ @diomavro Jul 25
        Replying to @sapinker @QuilletteM

        I don't understand why atheists are so confused. "Bla bla" does not matter, actions do. Christianity is a way of acting not a set of "bla bla". Therefore his claim is not actually empirical, it is logical. If you act like a good Christian, you are a good Christian.

        16 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
      3. Ben Robson‏ @brobsonmontey Jul 25
        Replying to @diomavro @sapinker @QuilletteM

        This logical gymnastics is the same performed by Peterson. It is changing an existing definition of a commonly understood term to achieve a desired outcome. In this case to change the term "Christianity" to be more about a behaviour than about an adherence to a religious dogma.

        2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
      4. Dio Mavroyiannis  🌊‏ @diomavro Jul 25
        Replying to @brobsonmontey @sapinker @QuilletteM

        A good Christian has ALWAYS been associated with actions. The very tenet of Christianity is to be sacrificial, AKA, Don't just SPEAK, be ready to LOSE. Aquinas and Augustine expressed doubts about god, they still consider themselves Christians. This is not new, your ignorance is.

        5 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      5. oasis00‏ @000oasis000 Jul 25
        Replying to @diomavro @brobsonmontey and

        this is demonstrably false. a christian by definition is someone who believes in the truth of a set of factual propositions - christianity is not salvation by works but by faith so by definition it is not associated with any actions (unless you define belief as an action)

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      6. Dio Mavroyiannis  🌊‏ @diomavro Jul 25
        Replying to @000oasis000 @brobsonmontey and

        Once again, find me a Christian scholar who believes this is the definition of Christianity. Christianity has never been defined by belief, this is a modern dogma. Stop defining things in a way that DON't MATTER. You are wasting everybody's time!

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Ben Robson‏ @brobsonmontey Jul 25
        Replying to @diomavro @000oasis000 and

        What about the Pope? I'm pretty sure he's considered a senior Christian scholar and would consider a belief in God as being fairly core to being a Christian.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Dio Mavroyiannis  🌊‏ @diomavro Jul 25
        Replying to @brobsonmontey @000oasis000 and

        First article that pops up when I google "Pope says".https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-catholic-church-no-point-if-you-dont-believe-in-it-help-the-poor-christian-parrots-a7529631.html …

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Dio Mavroyiannis  🌊‏ @diomavro Jul 25
        Replying to @diomavro @brobsonmontey and

        Quote 1: If I say I am Catholic and go to mass, but then don’t speak with my parents, help my grandparents or the poor, go and see those who are sick, this does not prove my faith, there’s no point

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Steven DiMattei‏ @stevendimattei Jul 25
        Replying to @sapinker @QuilletteM

        This is the problem when you give non-experts in biblical scholarship a platform from which to spout their opinions, even intellectual non-experts. Can each of us just keep to our own disciplines? Please!

        6 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Amateur Exegete‏ @amateurexegete Jul 25
        Replying to @stevendimattei @sapinker @QuilletteM

        Can I still write about the Bible? Please, Steve?!? 😜

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      4. Steven DiMattei‏ @stevendimattei Jul 25
        Replying to @amateurexegete @sapinker @QuilletteM

        @amateurexegete Ha! I realize I can be a bit snooty in my position on that. But you have been/are putting in the work that most academics do when pursing a biblical studies degree. Hell, my PhD is in NT, but I've been writing about Pentateuchal source-critism!

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 25
        Replying to @stevendimattei @amateurexegete and

        To proclaim that one is an unassailable expert because one has studied a certain fiction novel for many years is not snooty. It's sad. I realized I was bamboozled by people taking this work of fiction seriously when I was 12. Since then morality feels real and life more vibrant.

        3 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      6. Steven DiMattei‏ @stevendimattei Jul 25
        Replying to @AukeHoekstra @amateurexegete and

        I am amazed who many replays to my comment support my view––as you've just done here. If you've been "bamboozled by people" (non-experts) into seeing this corpus of ancient literature as something it's not, then wouldn't that exemplify the NEED for experts to chime in?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 25
        Replying to @stevendimattei @amateurexegete and

        Their title claimed they where theologians. But your expertise is undoubtedly in a class of it's own. Are you able to shed some light for this humble uninitiated as to what this corpus of ancient literature IS and why it should be treated differently from other fiction?

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      8. Amateur Exegete‏ @amateurexegete Jul 25
        Replying to @AukeHoekstra @stevendimattei and

        The Bible is all fiction?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 25
        Replying to @amateurexegete @stevendimattei and

        It's a work of fiction. So just like a Hollywood movie that's loosely based on some real events. Definitely not a documentary and nowhere near to actual history. All objective support for the Bible as more than that is based on religious sources. But please enlighten me!

        2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
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      2. Phillip Gregory‏ @Phillip36617551 Jul 25
        Replying to @sapinker @QuilletteM

        I agree morality does not have to come from god but it is true most totalitarian murderous regimes were atheistic.that doesn't show causation though.

        11 replies 0 retweets 31 likes
      3. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 25
        Replying to @Phillip36617551 @sapinker @QuilletteM

        That's factually untrue. The article does a good job explaining the close ties between Nazism and Christianity. And history is rife with murderous regimes in the name of god. If there is any empirical antidote so far it's secular democracy.

        18 replies 1 retweet 40 likes
      4. Phillip Gregory‏ @Phillip36617551 Jul 25
        Replying to @AukeHoekstra @sapinker @QuilletteM

        The had Norse parades.i wouldn't call them a hot bed Christian theology

        1 reply 0 retweets 16 likes
      5. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 25
        Replying to @Phillip36617551 @sapinker @QuilletteM

        Since when is believing in Norse mythology atheistic? But about the links to Christianity: have you read the article?

        6 replies 1 retweet 27 likes
      6. Elizabeth Wicht‏ @ElizabethWicht Jul 25
        Replying to @AukeHoekstra @Phillip36617551 and

        Links to Christianity? Himmler saw a main task of the SS to be that of "acting as the vanguard in overcoming Christianity and restoring a Germanic way of living". He litteraly noted in his diary that after the Jews, they would exterminate Christians no place for mercy in paganism

        4 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      7. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 25
        Replying to @ElizabethWicht @Phillip36617551 and

        I understand it's comforting for many to distance Christianity from Nazism. And to point out how Christianity in time could have become prosecuted instead of procecuting. Main point here: it was helping Hitler, just like Christians are now helping Trump. Why not choose Humanism?

        5 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
      8. Elizabeth Wicht‏ @ElizabethWicht Jul 25
        Replying to @AukeHoekstra @Phillip36617551 and

        Tell that to the many Christians who were sent to the concentration camps for their faith. Or the Catholic Church, which was the main opposition to Nazi eugenics; whilst many secular ppl favoured it (Fabians, Sanger). Obviously it is comforting not to deal with Hitler’s atheism.

        5 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      9. AukeHoekstra‏ @AukeHoekstra Jul 26
        Replying to @ElizabethWicht @Phillip36617551 and

        You are so transparently tribal. Do you really want to make the case that christianity did not contribute to anti-semitism in the run up to WW2? Do you really want to argue christianity was never prosecuting and always procecuted?

        2 replies 2 retweets 15 likes
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