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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Jul 19

    As countries lose their religion, they become more prosperous and more tolerant. (Forget Max Weber's Protestant ethic.)https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/losing-religion-can-be-seriously-good-for-your-wealth-hg6m6sfm8 …

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      2. tia do pavê‏ @vforvelour Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker

        More tolerant? I woudn't say that socialist-minded nordic coutries are tolerant at all...

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      4. tia do pavê‏ @vforvelour Jul 19
        Replying to @TomMillze @sapinker

        Yep

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      5. Paul Sobczak‏ @eagletusk Jul 19
        Replying to @vforvelour @TomMillze @sapinker

        I concur Fargo, North Dakota is more tolerant than Oslo, Norway from my observation. And North Dakota is pretty red.

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      6. tia do pavê‏ @vforvelour Jul 19
        Replying to @eagletusk @TomMillze @sapinker

        They are both intolerant in different ways (never been to Fargo, but I imagine what it is like). Nordic coutries are more of orwallian dystopias.

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      7. Paul Sobczak‏ @eagletusk Jul 19
        Replying to @vforvelour @TomMillze @sapinker

        Nope totally disagree with the orwellian distopia. Their structure is something worth striving for. Controlled capitalism, redistribution of wealth. I believe that Sweeden population 9 million has almost as many Iraq refugees than USA... That's something...

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      2. John Zmirak‏ @JZmirak Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker @john_gravino

        Prime examples: Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Khmer Rouge Cambodia....

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      3. titrisol‏ @titrisol Jul 19
        Replying to @JZmirak @sapinker @john_gravino

        I’m not sure these is valid. Maybe it is the other way around. Prosperity makes you frget your religion as you live comfortably and get numb

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      4. John Zmirak‏ @JZmirak Jul 19
        Replying to @titrisol @sapinker @john_gravino

        Wilhelm Ropke had a more nuanced and useful view: The market encourages BETTER out-group behavior (toward strangers, "infidels") but LESS INTENSIVE in-group behavior. So you leave religious ghettos, are exposed to more variant opinions.

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      1. Thor RD‏ @Thor85015026 Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker

        Yes, because if you are a non-believer then all the responsibility is upon you to improve your lives. With God, it's easy to throw all the burden upon him who does not exist and remain inactive. The believers think he will solve all d problems and everything remains unsolved.

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      2. Jonathan Alan Wright‏ @JWrightNRI Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker

        The problem with this study is that it equates all religions as "religion" when all beliefs are most certainly not equal. Secondly, the data starts at the beginning of the 1900s. At that point, the West was already on a steady path of secularization if not already so.

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      3. GiggsBoson‏ @giggs_boson Jul 20
        Replying to @JWrightNRI @sapinker

        Only 1 religion separates church and state, is based on love and compassion, universalism, and came up with "love your enemy".

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      2. Shivam Sethi‏ @shivamsethi11 Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker

        It's likely the other way around, as natiosns become wealthier and provide more and more in social benefits starting from schooling and then going on to health care, unemployment allowance, social housing, Higher education the society becomes less dependent on God

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      2. M Chesney-Stroak‏ @_stroak Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker

        Three fallacies in one sentence. Prosperity (however measured) is not contingent on apostasy. Irrelgiosity is not equivalent to to tolerance. Tolerance (acceptance) is not applied to the devout by atheistic societies. Weber was wrong on many levels, his bigotry the least of them.

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      2. Donald Pond‏ @DonaldPond6 Jul 19
        Replying to @sapinker

        Which is why it is a tragedy that the U.K. is encouraging faith schools. Religion should be an educated, informed choice, not an inheritance.

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      3. Peter den Haan‏ @revpdh Jul 19
        Replying to @DonaldPond6 @sapinker

        The secular neutrality fallacy is still alive and kicking, I see. Anyway, every faith school worth investing in does teach critical thinking, and encourages their children to a point where they can either own their faith or choose to disown it in an informed, intelligent way.

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      4. Daniel Goldman‏ @alc_anthro Jul 19
        Replying to @revpdh @DonaldPond6 @sapinker

        Sounds like this post is confusing correlation and causation anyway. Organized #religion tends to provide benefits to those of low socioeconomic status, so higher socioeconomic status will lead to less organized religion.

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      5. Peter den Haan‏ @revpdh Jul 19
        Replying to @alc_anthro @DonaldPond6 @sapinker

        I noticed that too - the article contained not a scrap of evidence to substantiate the move from correlation to causation. But maybe the actual study does.

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