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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Jun 3

    When talent and drive become more important than privilege in a society, education and occupational status will be increasingly correlated with genetic differences: New evidence from pre- and post-Soviet Estonia. | Nature Human Behaviourhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0332-5 …

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      2. Katriliis Riet 🇪🇪‏ @Katriliis Jun 3
        Replying to @sapinker

        Did any of the people conducting this research actually live in Sovet Estonia? It's a truly different picture they portray here from what I experienced growing up there. Some of the "observations" mentioned from both era just aren't true.

        1 reply 2 retweets 20 likes
      3. Path  🇺🇸 🇬🇷 🇵🇦‏ @NomadicCrypto Jun 3
        Replying to @Katriliis @sapinker

        Busted! Just when you least expect it an Estonian pops out of the woodwork.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Katriliis Riet 🇪🇪‏ @Katriliis Jun 3
        Replying to @NomadicCrypto @sapinker

        With a population of less than 1.4 million, could one ever expect an Estonian to pop out anywhere really?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Path  🇺🇸 🇬🇷 🇵🇦‏ @NomadicCrypto Jun 3
        Replying to @Katriliis @sapinker

        No. You're like the Spanish Inquisition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE …

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      6. Katriliis Riet 🇪🇪‏ @Katriliis Jun 3
        Replying to @NomadicCrypto @sapinker

        Wow, we really need to work on our sense of humor though, to live up to that sketch😁

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      7. Path  🇺🇸 🇬🇷 🇵🇦‏ @NomadicCrypto Jun 4
        Replying to @Katriliis @sapinker

        This one's better. :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8 …

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. Katriliis Riet 🇪🇪‏ @Katriliis Jun 4
        Replying to @NomadicCrypto @sapinker

        Looked at it from my comfy chair and just couldn't stop laughing. Thank you for a great start to a Monday!

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. James‏ @JB_Chitown Jun 3
        Replying to @sapinker @SamHarrisOrg

        More and more every day mainstream atheists are promoting social darwinism.I fear the world people like you and Sam Harris want to live it

        3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Enceladus‏ @Enzeladuz Jun 3
        Replying to @JB_Chitown @sapinker @SamHarrisOrg

        How familiar are you with Sam Harris? I know you didn't say that explicitly, but I very highly doubt that Sam Harris promotes anything close to Social Darwinism.

        2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      4. Paul 🌹‏ @Boohan33 Jun 3
        Replying to @Enzeladuz @JB_Chitown and

        How do u know? Again, what Harris, Shermer, Peterson consistently don’t talk about in itself seems to say something about their beliefs.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Enceladus‏ @Enzeladuz Jun 3
        Replying to @Boohan33 @JB_Chitown and

        Well, I don't know for sure but after listening to his podcast with Charles Murray and Ezra Klein it became clear to me that his main goal is not to talk more about genetic differences but to make it clear that we should be able to talk freely about facts, whatever they are.

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      6. James‏ @JB_Chitown Jun 3
        Replying to @Enzeladuz @Boohan33 and

        Isn't that the point of the article Pinker and Sam Harris just retweeted. How can you say they don't see genetic differences as deficiencies when that's exactly the point of the article

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Enceladus‏ @Enzeladuz Jun 3
        Replying to @JB_Chitown @Boohan33 and

        The point of this research was to examine genetic heritability following an abrupt social-economic change. Nothing more. According to the article, no definite conclusions could be drawn.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Enceladus‏ @Enzeladuz Jun 3
        Replying to @Enzeladuz @JB_Chitown and

        What Pinker basically tweeted is that in a capitalistic and therefore meritocratic system, genetics have greater impact on educational attainment and occupational status compared to a communistic system. This is quite obvious and pointing this out makes nobody a Social Darwinist.

        3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      9. Enceladus‏ @Enzeladuz Jun 3
        Replying to @Enzeladuz @JB_Chitown and

        Why point this out then? Well, there are a lot of people that don’t even acknowledge that there are such genetic differences, which is very counterproductive when applied to our political system. Counterproductive in the sense that it leads to less equality.

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      2. Sean‏ @D_Sean_R Jun 3
        Replying to @sapinker

        Pinker means: "Hi Bari Weiss, please consider me as leader of intellectual dark web, now that I'm pushing scientific racism. Also, I'm not racist, I just think white people are intellectually superior to blacks & browns, so dismantle affirmative action."https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/sam-harris-charles-murray-race-iq-forbidden-knowledge-podcast-bell-curve …

        5 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
      3. Michael Besly‏ @Cavecorebesly Jun 3
        Replying to @D_Sean_R @sapinker

        If you flatten out environmental variability then genetic variability ascends. This isn't any kind of racism, this is just a fact.

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      4. perturbator‏ @deficitation Jun 3
        Replying to @Cavecorebesly @sapinker

        Or structure your entire society around inherited wealth, like feudal aristocracy. That would increase genetic predictability. So would executing people with blue eyes.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Michael Besly‏ @Cavecorebesly Jun 3
        Replying to @deficitation @sapinker

        Except we can do studies of intelligent people without inherited wealth versus dumb people with inherited wealth. How do they do? Evidence shows that wealth won’t stay in the family if the people are stupid.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. perturbator‏ @deficitation Jun 3
        Replying to @Cavecorebesly @sapinker

        lmao ok bud

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Michael Besly‏ @Cavecorebesly Jun 3
        Replying to @deficitation @sapinker

        Let’s also point out that this is a study of a homogenous post-soviet society. Hint: ironically in the Soviet country, who you knew actually mattered a lot more than aptitude.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. perturbator‏ @deficitation Jun 3
        Replying to @Cavecorebesly @sapinker

        lmao ok bud

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. End of conversation

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