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Cognitive scientist at Harvard.

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    Steven Pinker‏Verified account @sapinker Jun 2

    Common misunderstanding of Better Angels: it claims hunter-gatherers are more violent. In fact it claims (w Hobbes) that *non-state* societies (incl. pastoral, horticultural & early neolithic) were more violent: a different idea, vindicated by new study.https://stevenpinker.com/publications/better-angels-our-nature …

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      2. Ancora Imparando‏ @AudeIdScire Jun 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        @Wornikay ¿?

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      3. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 2
        Replying to @AudeIdScire @sapinker

        El new study al que creo que se refiere todavía no me lo he leído pero tengo entendido que es una especie de simulación. Ya te contaré.

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      4. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 2
        Replying to @Wornikay @AudeIdScire @sapinker

        Anyway Hobbes no hablaba de violencia, hablaba de un estado de guerra de todos contra todos. Puede haber violencia entre grupos (que la hubo) y cooperación interna a tope.

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      5. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 3
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        Bueno, leído el peiper. Y como siempre éste es el típico caso de "un estudio dice" que los divulgadores como Pinker dan categoría de verdad absoluta cc. @ranoeldelbar.

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      6. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 3
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        Básicamente plantea que 1) análisis genéticos de 200 personas del presente sugieren que en el 7000-5000 aC hubo un cuello de botella de varones: es decir que sólo se habrían reproducido 1 de cada 17 varones adultos.

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      7. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 3
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        2) Esto se pone en relación con distintos modelos de organización social, encontrándose uno específico (grupos de parentesco patrilineales) que en sociedades acéfalas se comportarían de esa manera en cuanto a la "selección cultural" de reproducción de varones.pic.twitter.com/wwf4xtBt7e

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      8. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 3
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        Y 3) como añadido a eso, se añade que esos grupos (según documenta la etnografía) son muy efectivos en competición intergrupal, en la que, entre otros elementos, también hay un componente belicoso.pic.twitter.com/4Xew4YYXwG

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      9. Mulo‏ @Wornikay Jun 3
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        Así que bueno. El trabajo es interesante, maneja varias hipótesis y dice con la honestidad de un científico que según un modelo matemático los datos se ajustarían más con la suya. No sé ni de ADN ni de simulaciones sociales de ese tipo así que ahí no puedo hablar.

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      1. Jason Sorens‏ @JasonSorens Jun 2
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        What's the new study? While sympathetic to the hypothesis, I wasn't persuaded by the data on this point in Better Angels, which seemed to confound economic mode and political arrangement.

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      1. Richard Harper‏ @harpersnotes Jun 2
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        Hunter gatherers fight over women, as well as hunting and foraging areas. Non state societies fight over those and everything other possible thing as well.

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      1. Robert Lawton‏ @Rklawton Jun 2
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        I can see a logical rationale. Agri-based peoples are "long-term" sweat equity investors in non-mobile assets. If they get pushed off their land, they lose their investment. Their "high yield" land is both a target for others and worth defending.

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      1. Gyeff‏ @Gyeff Jun 3
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        Wolves in the wild are more violent than dogs in domestication. Is one worse or better than the other?

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      1. Myles Genest‏ @GEMylesGenest Jun 3
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        Myles Genest Retweeted Joe Brewer

        Wondering if you’ve seen thishttps://twitter.com/cognitivepolicy/status/1002600582580846592?s=21 …

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        Joe Brewer @cognitivepolicy
        I am serious. Please prove me wrong... if you can. https://www.slideshare.net/joebrewer31/why-i-am-no-longer-attempting-to-build-a-rigorous-science-of-social-change …
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      1. Phil Torres‏ @xriskology Jun 3
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        Which study? (Does anyone know?) Sounds fascinating and important!

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      1. Samuel Pitt‏ @SamuelPitt3 Jun 2
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        I agree . All discussion and theories on violence related to the hunter gatherer stage or the agricultural stage can not be separated from some degree of violence. Violence has always been around since the earliest times of primitive man .

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      1. Brent Cordner‏ @BrentCordner Jun 2
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        Steve, you have really nice hair.

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      1. Samuel Pitt‏ @SamuelPitt3 Jun 2
        Replying to @sapinker

        Your approach is the scientific objective way. Misinterpretation of facts when subject ivory intervenes is the bane of science.

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      1. Samuel Pitt‏ @SamuelPitt3 Jun 2
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        'Common misunderstanding', is probably the correct word. The scientific method in the real sense never depends on subjectivity. This is the big difference between subjectivity and objectively in thinking.

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