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    1. Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor @KirinDave

      Your basic problem is that you want to go after Scott Alexander specifically and the only way you can do this is: 1) say there's no right to publish pseudonymously and have your privacy respected or 2) become a crazy person who attacks random people for decade-old blog posts

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    2. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor

      I have not "gone after" Scott Siskind. I've pointed out public domain information in response to a public blogpost. That public information is literally all of Siskind's creation and publishing. You object to the ordering and timing of that disclosure.

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    3. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @s_r_tarnmoor

      I've not "attacked" him. He pretended to delete his blog, not me. I've stated clearly where some of his blog posts went wrong. I've held this exact position for years, and you can see it in my blog history. I've changed *nothing*. But now you're labeling it as thought crime.

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    4. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave @s_r_tarnmoor

      You object to the *act of writing* for me, but when it comes to Scott, you're suggesting that we can't possibly do that. The asymmetry here is clear.

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    5. Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave

      Writing about people and writing about ideas are different. When you do the former you're almost always performing a perlocutionary act (status-boosting, threatening, etc). Perlocutionary acts can be objected to on grounds other than their being thought-crimes.

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    6. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor

      Racism is also "perlocutionary". So you've suggested a good reason for why specific essays writing by "Scott Alexander" Siskind might need to be denied a pseudonym even if he had one.

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    7. Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave

      You'd be right if speculating about group genetic differences were in any meaningful sense an attack on one or the other such group. It isn't. I agree that this is the crux of our disagreement

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    8. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor

      The Bell Curve contains more than such speculation. Nearly half the book is policy proposals.

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    9. Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave

      Policy proposals are also not personal. They're political.

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    10. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor

      Political proposals can have profound impact on personal life. Policy proposal: it is illegal to write racist blog posts. Is that not profoundly personal for Scott?

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      Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
      Replying to @KirinDave

      Of course political proposals impact people's lives. That's the only thing they do! But "this proposal, if implemented, would impact my life negatively" is not the same thing as "the voicing of this proposal is a personal attack on me, to which I must respond in kind."

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        2. Dr. Samantha Hancox-Li‏ @perdricof 25 Jun 2020
          Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor @KirinDave

          ah i see! so when i personally poison your glass of water, that's a violent attack and you should respond in kind. but when ed kurtz poisoned the drinking water of an entire city, that was just abstract policy the people of flint should have politely debated more strenuously.

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        3. Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
          Replying to @perdricof @KirinDave

          Voicing & implementing aren't the same thing. Saying "we should poison the water" isn't the same thing as poisoning the water.

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        2. doc holiday's disappointed med school professor‏ @TylerMoody 25 Jun 2020
          Replying to @s_r_tarnmoor @KirinDave

          fucking...how? if the "proposal" was, like, "libras should be rounded up and put in camps," that would impact my life negatively, and in what way exactly am i wrong for considering it an attack on me?

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        3. Salvator R. Tarnmoor‏ @s_r_tarnmoor 25 Jun 2020
          Replying to @TylerMoody @KirinDave

          "Not the same thing" doesn't mean that a policy proposal can never be a personal attack. It just means that there needs to be an ADDITIONAL STEP between "negatively affects me" and "is attacking me." Proposing to raise taxes on you isn't an attack.

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